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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/04/2018 17:02

Aviation:
From last month, but it is frightening:
the UK wants - and desperately needs - special treatment even from the US
(which reserves “special” for itself & sometimes Israel)

https://www.businessinsider.de/open-skies-us-trade-deal-brexit-trump-2018-3?r=UK&IR=T

As things stand, Britain is set to leave the EU-US 'Open skies treaty' when it leaves the EU.
In order to ensure planes can still fly, Britain will need to negotiate a replacement agreement with the US.

However, according to an explosive FT report this week,
the US offered Britain in January a far worse "open skies" deal after Brexit than it currently has as an EU member.

According to their report, accepting such a deal could seriously damage the flying rights of major UK airlines

The UK reportedly walked out of secret talks when Washington offered the UK its standard bilateral open skies deal.

"There is no reason to assume the US will budge its position on ownership and control because it never has,
" aviation consultant Andrew Charlton told BI.

"It didn't when the Europeans - which included the British at the time - asked for it.
They've never done it."
"I think Europe will make life hard for the British and eventually give them what they want but not without getting something back in return,"

The other major issue is that the UK will struggle to negotiate a deal with the US until it has negotiated a deal with the EU

That is because of something known as "the fifth freedom"

This international agreement means that American airlines are able to fly into the UK and then onto other European cities,
and is heavily used by business travellers.

Under the terms of the agreement,
the UK can't offer the "fifth" to American carriers until the EU has offered it to the UK.

According to Charlton, both US and EU carriers would see that as an opportunity to lobby for their own interests
.…
The other major factor working against the UK is time.

Airlines are already looking to book their schedules for 2019 and put flights on sale,
but they are unable to do so in the knowledge that flights will even by operable by then.

"Once the UK falls out of the EU-US Open Skies agreement,
it's not as if they'd fall into a void.
They'd actually fall into something worse than a void."

RedToothBrush · 29/04/2018 17:07

Amber Alert.

We have another leak.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/29/amber-rudd-letter-to-pm-reveals-ambitious-but-deliverable-removals-target?CMP=twt_gu
Amber Rudd letter to PM reveals 'ambitious but deliverable' removals target
Exclusive: Home secretary’s denial last week she was aware of deportation targets at odds with January 2017 letter to May

What odds are there that her statement tomorrow will be to resign??

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DGRossetti · 29/04/2018 17:08

It's hard not to imagine the absolute sheer joy of the French, watching Brexit from afar ...

Germans, being the more stoic and logical people will reserve their humour till the UK is well and truly schafted ....

TomRavenscroft · 29/04/2018 17:45

She's GOT to go now, surely?

She won't be fired, though; it'll be another 'mutual agreement' and she won't apologise for or even acknowledge anything –they'll blame it on the press and Labour 'hounding' her and claim that she's had to go because it was all just becoming a dangerous distraction.

I don't know if she'll move to the back benches – she's a bit too much of a threat to May from there as she can buddy up with Morgan et al and heckle from the sidelines.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/04/2018 18:02

Whoops, careless ! Shock

Looks like No. 10 / Home Office has a dedicated leaker
That's going to cause problems
I wonder how many other civil servants in other depts might be encouraged to leak in the future Hmm

If all the skeletons of this govt were revealed suddenly, I suspect it would be like digging up the burial grounds of a prolific serial killer

BigChocFrenzy · 29/04/2018 18:04

DG Never mind the French.
Think of Putin chuckling away to himself
Argentina

All the oligarchs planning their Big Post-Brexit Loot

RedToothBrush · 29/04/2018 18:42

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Last week the UK officially ratified membership of a new supranational European court, staffed by judges from EU members, subject to elements of Article 267 treaty on ECJ jurisdiction - the signatory with a wax seal - someone called Boris Johnson.... the Unified Patent Court.

I pointed out this intriguing conjunction about 18 months ago - it is basically “a” single market in patents - and if this is acceptable pooling of sovereignty, and Johnson himself he signed it, then a whole load of innovative options open up

Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico
Weird. No-one understands how tjis is supposed to work post-Brexit. Also, patent rules have become a big part of trade deals. How will this affect any trade deal we do with the US?

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2018 18:57

Christopher Howarth @CJCHowarth
Even more weird in that we have to leave again on Brexit, so why ratify it?

Andrew Lilico @ andrewlilico
That's what's weird. No-one understands how we can stay post-Brexit. It's the EU Single Patent. It's just like Greece saying we're leaving the EU but we're going to stay in the EU Single Currency.

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Minister @SamGyimah says “innovative businesses will benefit significantly” and membership will be “subject to negotiation” because UPC is “unique” - but it sounds like we want to stay in it???

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/04/2018 19:07

Before the current set of safety agreements, all airlines operating overseas had to ship in their own certified staff to maintain aircraft at their own bases.

These agreements enable airlines to rely on local facilities.

Anyone really ancient may remember being stuck in a foreign airport, or even in a plane,
waiting for an engineer to fly in from the Uk with a few basic tools and fix the problem in a few minutes
simply because only the Uk bod was authorised to do such repairs

Ditto US bod for US planes

RedToothBrush · 29/04/2018 19:26

A little early, but here's a new thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3235588-Westministenders-Amber-Alert?watched=1

Some how I think it will be a busy week.

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