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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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prettybird · 20/04/2018 13:08

You couldn't make it up Grin

"At the very moment that international cooperation is so important, some nations are choosing instead to shun the rules based system that underpins global security and prosperity"

....so says Theresa May at the CHOG Summit, without a hint of irony. Confused

prettybird · 20/04/2018 13:10

....I had to re-wind the BBC News, so that I could get down word for word what she said ShockGrinConfused

DGRossetti · 20/04/2018 13:12

Is it possible that Brexit was just a manifestation of the inherent pioneering spirit of the British HmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmm ... (you know the urge to do something "because it's there").

Because as a voyage of exploration, I think T.S. Eliot nailed Brexit:

“We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.”

TheElementsSong · 20/04/2018 14:56

'At the very moment that international cooperation is so important, some nations are choosing instead to shun the rules based system that underpins global security and prosperity"

Bloody hell pretty what bare-faced cheek!

prettybird · 20/04/2018 15:04

TheElementsSong - I did laugh very loudly out loud when I heard her saying it on the news.

They really don't see it though Confused

Rules only apply to other countries and not England, which is speshul Wink

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 15:23

The3million @ the3million
#bbcqt: @IainDale on #Windrush: "I have spent the last 18 months telling EU citizens calling into my Radio show worried about Settled Status that they will be alright, if I was an EU citizen now I would be quite nervous right now" he says.

I didn't watch QT last night. That's a big shift for Iain Dale.

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RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 15:40

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/20/amber-rudd-boasted-harsher-immigration-strategy-leak-reveals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet&__twitter_impression=true
Amber Rudd boasted of harsher immigration strategy, leak reveals
Exclusive: home secretary told PM she would give officials greater ‘teeth’ to deport migrants

In a robust private memo to Theresa May just months before long-settled Windrush migrants were threatened with deportation, Rudd set out her “ambitious” plan to increase removals and focus officials on “arresting, detaining and forcibly removing illegal migrants” while “ruthlessly” prioritising Home Office resources to that programme .

So I was right. May and Rudd are having a spat. Rudd tried to pin it on May and the Home Office so she looked good. May made the apology. But it seems someone at No 10 with access to that memo has leaked it... who could that be?

Hmm.

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lonelyplanetmum · 20/04/2018 17:03

Today’s speech..'At the very moment that international cooperation is so important, some nations are choosing instead to shun the rules based system that underpins global security and prosperity’

The h.y.p.o.c.r.i.s.y It’s like in May 2017 when she laid into the SNP. Treeza actually criticised them as a “Government interested
only in stoking-up endless constitutional grievance and furthering their obsession with independence, at the expense of public services like the NHS and education.”

And

“The Union enabled the social, scientific and economic developments which powered our collective achievement.”

How can she keep saying those things without realising the naked double standards.

It's almost like she is trying to send out a subliminal message.

http://www.scottishconservatives.com/2017/03/theresa-may-speech-to-scottish-conservative-conference/

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 17:11

Michel Barnier@MichelBarnier
Ce matin sur @France2tv #les4verites, j’ai dit que nous sommes déterminés à obtenir d’ici octobre un accord sur le retrait ordonné du RU mais il y a encore des difficultés sérieuses et des risques #Brexit.

Looks like the NI deadlock is bad enough that they are abandoning the planned June Council date to discuss the Withdrawal Agreement and leaving it for the last possible moment, in October.

and he said in English "le cherry-picking........no way" Wink

RNorth & co think that DexEu have given up and are hoping the EU will simply cave in then
also because DexEU have posted on its website that it has 'updated meeting agendas' which they think means cancelling most serious talks and preliminary trade talks

Theworldisfullofgs · 20/04/2018 17:12

I honestly don't think she is v clever. I'm trying to work out how she got a degree.

mybrainhurtsalot · 20/04/2018 17:19

Who writes her speeches these days?

TomRavenscroft · 20/04/2018 17:19

Theworld, she only got an Archbishop Desmond.

DGRossetti · 20/04/2018 17:22

I honestly don't think she is v clever. I'm trying to work out how she got a degree.

With all due respect, 80% of a degree is rote-learning, memory and doing what the course says. It's entirely possible to get a degree without being very bright.

By the same token there are some fucking geniuses without a Tufty Club badge to their name.

Degree != Clever && !Degree != Stupid

Alternatively Daddy may have bunged the Bursar a few quid Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 17:34

Reassuring;

Stefaan De Rynck@StefaanDeRynck
Some #Brexit misunderstanding. EU and UK have planned four rounds of talks on Ireland/NI, other Withdrawal issues & future relationship before June #EUCO, first week of May we continue

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 17:35

IQ does not mean EQ (Emotional Intelligence)

DGRossetti · 20/04/2018 17:44

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43841922

Nissan is to cut hundreds of jobs at its Sunderland car plant, as diesel sales decline.

(contd)

Peregrina · 20/04/2018 18:05

I was wrong about Rudd; I thought she was slightly better than May. Turns out she wasn't. Although the pair of them are trying to pretend that their concern is only about illegal immigrants. Common sense, which they apparently lack, should have told them that if you delegate immigration tasks to employers, landlords, banks, i.e. untrained people, then the enforcement will be arbitrary, and legal immigrants will be booted out.

prettybird · 20/04/2018 18:11

By "delegating" the enforcement to banks and landlords - aka getting them to do the HO's dirty work - she didn't even need to deport them. She just needed to make the underclass them miserable, by making them unemployed, unable to access banking, homeless.....and not able to access benefits or the NHS. SadAngry

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 18:51

A human rights court case beckons.

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 19:06

unless we leave the EHRC as Ultras - and May - want

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 19:33

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/20/trump-russia-wikileaks-sued-democrats-lawsuit

The Democratic National Committee has filed a lawsuit against the Russian government, Donald Trump’s campaign and WikiLeaks, alleging a widespread conspiracy to help swing the 2016 US presidential election in Trump’s favor.

The DNC employed a similar strategy amid the Watergate scandal of the early 1970s,
filing a civil suit in 1972 seeking damages from President Richard Nixon’s re-election campaign in relation to the break-in at the party’s Washington headquarters.

Although Nixon’s attorney general denounced the suit at the time, his campaign eventually settled for $750,000 on the day he left office, according to the Washington Post.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 19:42

imo, the most important factor in the push for a hard Brexit, with all the red lines,
is that the US elected Trump.

It removed the usual restraint that the US govt provides if the UK gets delusions of power - Suez and the US economic pressure then taught the Uk ruling class NEVER to risk being slapped down by the US for this

Any Democrat or "normal" Republican POTUS would have pressured the UK govt that a narrow margin in an advisory referendum should not be acted on;
in the event that the Uk for once refused to poodle, then the US would at least have pushed for the softest EEA / EFTA Brexit

HesterThrale · 20/04/2018 19:43

Three local elections last night.

The Lib Dems took 2 seats off the Tories, in West Berkshire and Warrington. A mix of drop in Tory vote and decent increase in LD vote.
Difficult to know if this is a harbinger for May 3rd, as results have been erratic lately.

mobile.twitter.com/britainelects?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 19:56

Both areas have historical been strong locally for the LDs. Both are prime commuter areas. I'd hazard a wild guess and say both had high remain voted for that reason.

Anywhere that has a strong local LD presence I think will generally do well at the locals. Particularly if its a LD / Con type constituency. Especially if its a remain area.

There actually aren't too many of these about.

Neither of these strike me as telling much of value re the local elections elsewhere. They are both unusual areas rather than areas which might show up something more significant.

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 20:18

‘Brexit-busting’ ferry launched from Dublin Port

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-busting-ferry-launched-from-dublin-port-1.3468760

The absolutely enormous cargo ship that was christened by Leo Varadkar and other luminaries in Dublin Port on Friday morning is officially to be called Celine

but over the course of a long and lavish ceremony marking its birth it was more commonly referred to by
its shiny new nickname, Brexit Buster. Grin

It can accommodate more than 600 lorries…
If all the parking lanes on the 235m long boat were laid end to end, it would stretch to almost 8 kilometres, making it the world’s largest short sea roll-on roll-off vessel.

It is hoped its size will allow hundreds of thousands of additional tonnes of freight go to and from the Continent each year,
bypassing Britain and the border controls and paperwork that may be inevitable if a hard Brexit becomes a reality.

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