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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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lonelyplanetmum · 20/04/2018 07:48

The govt & supporters were outraged that the UK is being held to what they agreed on NI last year* because they are not used to being held to their promises longer than a week.*

This. This is so true. It's what we said yesterday about Berlusconi moral standards in the U.K. establishment today ,regarding Lycamobile and electoral spending breaches etc.

The days are gone ( if they ever existed) when an Englishman's word is his bond.

By contrast the leading EU politicians mostly seem men of substance and integrity.

( Sorry about the male/men references there- just easier!)

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 07:49

mobile.twitter.com/BritishInEurope/status/985862284240093189

The British in Europe are the first group to experience their own government turning against them to deliver radical nationalism

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 07:50

Shock: Big bully meets someone bigger & stronger who won't back down

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 07:51

That's why the shock & outrage from the govt & nationalist Brexit supporters

Peregrina · 20/04/2018 07:59

So we either have a border in the Irish Sea or we all stay in the CU. Which one is May likely to go for? Or should that be, which one does she think will cause her least political damage?

Somerville · 20/04/2018 08:24

Peregrina If the election had gone as May planned, and large Tory majority, maybe an Irish Sea border. But now she's reliant on the DUP, no way. I keep hearing people say that they think she'll bribe them into allowing it, but what do they want more than they want a strong union? And what do they fear more than stronger ties between the north and Republic? I can't see it - they'd bring her down first.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 08:27

While the Uk dithers, the EU makes contingency plans …

(FT paywall) Brussels seeks emergency powers to prepare for hard Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/af7451e2-423a-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fd

Brussels is issuing dozens of legal proposals on Brexit over the next 10 weeks,
in a flurry of lawmaking to prepare the EU for a sharp break from the UK,
partly by giving emergency powers to the bloc’s institutions.

The European Commission has drafted 30-40 proposals to amend laws
and give special powers to regulators
so that the union can deal with a no-deal scenario, either on Brexit day on March 29 2019 or after a transition period.

EU diplomats have been told the measures would cover a wide range of areas,
with particular significance for trade quotas, the car industry, transport companies, the bloc’s space programme, financial services and professional qualifications.

The push is intended to reduce uncertainty for business by granting more powers to Brussels
and other EU authorities so they are better able to cope with sudden complications.

The initiative also shows the commission’s determination to press on with preparing for a worst-case scenario

  • even if it involves using the EU legislative process while the UK remains a full member with voting rights.

“This is all inevitable and necessary,”
said one EU diplomat working on Brexit.
“Most of the work of preparing for Brexit is for governments and the private sector. But there are issues with EU law that we have to sort out.”

EU officials say most of the amendments are legal housekeeping, which would address anomalies that arise from the exclusion of the UK.

However, the proposals would also give the commission and other EU regulators specific “emergency powers”, for a limited period, to handle the fallout from an abrupt UK exit.

The details remain unclear but one EU diplomat suggested that it could include waivers for companies in areas such as financial services.
The diplomat said it could also give a grace period for lawyers or professionals based in Europe who rely on UK qualifications.

Such provisions could offer reassurance to some banks and financial services companies,
because they would provide more flexibility for regulators in dealing with post-Brexit adjustments.

One measure is likely to set restrictions on Britain’s continued involvement in the EU’s Galileo satellite programme.

A separate decision will also be required over the operational headquarters of Operation Atalanta, an EU counter-piracy naval effort that is run from Northwood in the London suburbs.

The commission told EU diplomats that it would take 40 weeks to move the headquarters to an EU location.

The first burst of legislation will cover two specific topics:

the tariff rate quotas that govern the import of farm products into the EU and approvals for car parts.
Legislation on both areas is expected as early as next month.

Britain and the EU have reached an agreement on how to split the EU’s existing tariff rate quotas under World Trade Organization rules,
but that preliminary deal has faced resistance, including from the US.

The commission’s proposal would make clear that the quotas for food imports would be adjusted to take account of the UK’s exit
- regardless of the outcome of talks at the WTO or with Britain over the terms of Brexit.

Planned revisions to the laws controlling the authorisation of cars for sale in Europe would seek to deal with the stock of vehicles

  • such as the Czech Republic brand Skoda -
that were approved in the UK by the Vehicle Certification Agency. Such authorisations allow cars to be sold elsewhere in the bloc but have been complicated by Brexit.

Dozens more proposals will be issued separately throughout June and July.

The commission sees the measures as the next phase of its “preparedness” effort, which has included releasing 62 “notifications” warning companies of the legal consequences of a no-deal Brexit.

The commission noted that,
although EU leaders have agreed an outline transition deal with Britain,
they have still asked for “preparedness at all levels for the consequences of the UK’s withdrawal, taking into account all possible outcomes”

The EU has already adopted legislation in some specific areas to cope with a hard Brexit,
including amendments to the EU’s carbon emissions market so that a possible glut of UK permits would not lead to a price crash.

Motheroffourdragons · 20/04/2018 08:28

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Peregrina · 20/04/2018 08:32

I could see May breaking up the United Kingdom by accident, blundering around saying 'Let me be clear, nothing has changed'.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 08:46

The German Brexit coordinator answered questions in an FB chat yesterday about UK expats rights after Brexit

https://www.facebook.com/AuswaertigesAmt/?rc=p

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 08:48

Q: … on the basis of the draft agreement I stand to lose Freedom of Movement and voting rights in local and European elections.
Given that the position of the UK government on the 3 million is light years away from being acceptable, when can we expect to see further guarantees from the EU that those of us already exercising FoM will not be disadvantaged by the actions of the UK government?

A: Auswärtiges Amt UK is leaving the EU.
This will inevitably lead to significant changes in citizens' everyday lives.
Our aim is to minimize the damage and protect live decisions as good as possible.
We have achieved a lot in this regard in the negotiations with UK.
Details can be found in the Withdrawal Agreement:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/draft-agreement-withdrawal-united-kingdom-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-european-union-and-european-atomic-energy-community-0_en

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 08:52

Q: [having dual UK-German citizenship]
will the German Government, once the UK has left the EU, ask me to choose a single nationality and give up the other.

A: I'm not aware of any such plan.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 08:59

His later (German() answer to a German about obtaining retaining original citizenship if he obtains Uk citizenship
is that he would need special permission from Germany to retain its citizenship

The Uk govt position so far has not required Uk citizens to give up citizenship if they obtain citizenship of a 2nd country
(or Bojo, Farage & probably several other Brexit politicians would find it more difficult to escape the consequences of their actions)

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 09:01

Q: What about Brit state pensions rights + health insurance for EU cits coming to Germany from UK after transition?

A: It is too soon to tell any details regarding social security entitlements.
Either way, we recommend you also address this question directly to UK authorities for pension and health care.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 10:36

Lord Macpherson tweet:
"EU's position on Irish border so predictable.
UK sold pass by conceding 'backstop' in December, inviting EU to hold us to it.
#badbusiness"

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 10:37

(he's a retired Treasury Permanent Secretary)

prettybird · 20/04/2018 11:25

The Uk govt position so far has not required Uk citizens to give up citizenship if they obtain citizenship of a 2nd country

...unless of course, Scotland were to have obtained independence and Scottish citizens could potentially have, uniquely, not been allowed to have dual UK citizenship. So said a certain Theresa May during the Indyref campaign. Hmm So unless it is written down, overseen by proper international lawyers and signed in triplicate, I wouldn't believe a word of reassurance coming from this Government.

www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-independence-uk-passport-loss-indication-1-2961819

(For the avoidance of doubt, the White Paper "Scotland's Future" explicitly stated that an independent Scotland would allow dual nationality, and although it hadn't been published at that point, had always been the declared policy - so any question marks over the ability to have dual nationality was coming entirely from the UK Government)

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 11:36

Hansard, 30/1/2014:

Mrs May: The [Immigration] Bill will make it more difficult for illegal migrants to live in the United Kingdom by denying access to the tools of everyday life.

That will include giving landlords a duty to check the immigration status of tenants and imposing penalties on rogue landlords, and denying illegal migrants access to bank accounts and driving licences.

it will ensure that temporary legal migrants contribute to our national health service.

Ms Abbott: … but has she given no thought to the effect that her measures that are designed to crack down on illegal immigrants could have on
people who are British nationals, but appear as if they might be immigrants?
< i.e. people of colour, or furrin accents >

Mrs May: We have given a great deal of thought to the way in which our measures will operate.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/04/2018 11:40

The MD of Dublin Port was on RTE 1 today, saying
they are starting on building border infrastructure, as they fully expect it to be needed in a year or so.

Currently, 110million journeys take place across the NI border every year,
mostly people not trade, of course, but checking vans or cars for goods could slow up border FOM too.

prettybird · 20/04/2018 11:42

The less generous amongst us might think that her "We have given a great deal of thought to the way in which our measures will operate." had resulted in the conclusion it doesn't really matter if there is an impact as anyone it does impact will be poor and for the most part black and we don't no-one cares about them, so we will get away with it Hmm

Cailleach1 · 20/04/2018 12:04

twitter.com/Number10cat/status/967732478797602816

Puddy not following through on foolish jump.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 20/04/2018 12:35

Given so much time is spent trying to show Diane Abbott as an idiot, it is more than arguable to say that if she could see this was a potential issue back in 2014 then this is extremely purposeful behaviour on TMs part.

Peregrina · 20/04/2018 13:03

had resulted in the conclusion it doesn't really matter if there is an impact as anyone it does impact will be poor and for the most part black and we don't no-one cares about them, so we will get away with it

And with the poisonous atmosphere created by Farage and Co, she did get away with it for a couple of years. No doubt about it, anti-immigration sentiment was a key driver of the Leave vote, so is this a straw in the wind to show the climate is changing?

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2018 13:06

This from two days ago:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/779ee1a4-431d-11e8-9618-96ec7a8a2ce5
Rebel MPs are laying a trap to derail Brexit
If the government loses forthcoming votes on the customs union, Britain faces national humiliation and a massive bill
by Iain Martin

Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs
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DGRossetti · 20/04/2018 13:07

And with the poisonous atmosphere created by Farage and Co, she did get away with it for a couple of years. No doubt about it, anti-immigration sentiment was a key driver of the Leave vote, so is this a straw in the wind to show the climate is changing?

What might really start a riot is if/when white Commonwealth citizens are deported ...