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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 14/04/2018 10:30

True peregrina, it's not the white commonwealth being treated like this. Boils my piss even more.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 10:49

MrsR BINO, or any deal, is far from certain
NI would have to be resolved first; also FOM
and the UK has a weak govt, packed with ignoramuses blowhards

May is still scared of the Ultras, dependent on the DUP and still hostile to immigrants

Transition - if it actually happens - is worrying too:
3rd countries retain the right to export to the Uk as before, because the UK has to agree to follow EU laws
BUT

3rd countries don't legally have to reciprocate, i.e. UK exports might be hit

lonelyplanetmum · 14/04/2018 11:30

Additional harmful future effects of Brexit that the govt has yet to tackle …

"Withdrawal of the United Kingdom and EU Aviation Safety Rules"

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-aviation-safety.pdf

Looks like it will apply from 1 January 2021 and he thinks UK aviation will be buggered for a while afterwards...
certificates of airworthiness, restricted certificates of airworthiness, permits to fly, approvals ... for organisations responsible for the manufacture of products, parts and appliances.

Tounge in cheek-In the interests of getting behind our liberation from EU membership, do aircraft and airspace permissions also apply to military aircraft?

Will we still be able to spend money (we allegedly don't have) as the US lapdog supporting military action? Will we still have permission to fly over other airspace and will our pilots and aircraft still be authorised ?

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 12:23

Military planes - and ships, tanks etc - won't be affected as they don't come under civil law.

So Brits may have their holiday plans buggered, but will still be able to bomb Johnny Foreigner

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 12:30

Andrew Haines, Chief Executive of the CAA:

"So we are very uncompromising in our view that we should not be planning for a new independent aviation safety system in the UK.
Indeed, we have consciously decided not to do that work as it would be misleading to suggest that’s a viable option

Last month, he also stated a simple solution, if the govt would only choose this:

http://www.caa.co.uk/News/CAA-response-to-FT-article-(-MPs-warn-of-Brexit-damage-to-UK-aerospace-)/

"If continued membership of EASA is unachievable, we should adopt the existing EASA regulatory system, rather than developing a new framework from scratch.

This option is available to any third-party country, and is one that, I believe, would provide clarity and certainty for the aviation industry.”

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 12:32

Even with that, there might still be a gap as the UK quits EASA but still applies the EASA regulatory system - other countries might need time to adjust to this ?

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 13:07

will still be able to bomb Johnny Foreigner

They might have to go a very long way round though...

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 13:15

I wish I could believe that the Uk govt had feasible worst-case plans

I've said all along that the absence of serious planning means we are getting something that looks very like Norway, though possibly with less say. Or an unending transition which amounts to much the same thing. I'm still reasonably optimistic that this will be true. I think May and her ministers have looked over the edge and decided to step back. They must also know by now that there is no other credible solution for Northern Ireland or Gibraltar. Everything they do convinces me that is all fire and fury signifying nothing. They literally aren't doing anything except caving in every time the EU puts its foot down. And the EU on the whole would be quite happy with the UK inside the SM but without political leverage - there are some losers in that scenario (I think the Irish and the Dutch for example would prefer the UK inside the tent, and probably much of Eastern Europe) but Germany and France will be happy with it, as will Spain.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 13:16

Nope, military would not be affected by any changes, including overflight rights

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 13:20

The govt is heading for an almighty row with the Ultras - and most Leaverx - if it is BINO
because the EU are still requiring FOM, ECJ etc for that

Also, Barnier & co have said the UK can decide to stay in the SM and a form of close CU up until the end of transition
If the E27 have adjusted to Brexit by then , they might impose much tougher terms on the Uk

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 13:21

Well who would have thought it? The Fail is launching a campaign for Albert. The one who needs to find £54,000 for the cancer treatment which he is entitled to for free. I won't link to the Fail, I refuse on principle. The mood is definitely changing.

This is really consistent with the mood among Leave and anti immigration accounts on Twitter - there are still the odd ones who haven't got the message and think that if they didn't "get citizenship" (which of course they already had) in the last 40 years they deserve to be deported, but these voices seem to be quite isolated.

There seems to be a definite schism developing between the common-or-garden xenophobes (who don't like first gen Polish immigrants who still speak Polish amongst themselves but who tolerate black and brown people who arrived 40 years ago - the "Britain is full" crowd) and the actual white supremacists of whom Farage is the acceptable face.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 13:22

and nothing has been rational about Brexit, or how most politicians have handled the issues

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 13:24

That might be a split between those who have been persuaded that E Europeans have kept wages down and the comfortably off pensioners

Might even be a Lexiter- Texiter split
(my word for Tory Brexiters)

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 13:31

No, I agree, the whole approach has been ridiculous but then again the whole approach has not been aimed at achieving the optimum Brexit agreement but to prevent the Tory party falling apart and to keep the lid on press opposition.

There are signs that the more rational Leave voices have realised that the government's red lines have placed it in an impossible situation (e.g. Andrew Neil and probably most of the cabinet) even though the time is not quite ripe for the climb down. The debate is probably now more about how they paint the climb down in the best light (i.e. who gets the blame) when they actually do come clean.

They must know by now that if they started working towards a hard Brexit today, the systems and infrastructure might be in place and battle-ready by around 2024/25. No one is doing anything apart from appointing civil servants (expensive but politically easier than compulsory purchasing or planning permission at the south coast ports, and simple to reverse).

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 13:33

^Might even be a Lexiter- Texiter split
(my word for Tory Brexiters)^

I really do think it's more "Britain is fulls" versus the nazis. The former come in both political colours.

DGRossetti · 14/04/2018 16:19

will still be able to bomb Johnny Foreigner

They might have to go a very long way round though...

Some of us remember the US air strikes on Libya in 1986 (almost 32 years ago to the day Hmm) had to be routed around a Europe which refused to allow it's airspace to be used for the attack

(The F111s flew from the UK, btw).

To be fair, there was a lot of support in the UK for suck strikes, since the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher Sad. So the UK had it's own score to settle.

lonelyplanetmum · 14/04/2018 17:14

will still be able to bomb Johnny Foreigner

I have come up with the profound conclusion today that we as a nation are not very nice.

Listening to both Trump and Treeza's speeches about the horrors of chemical weapons on civilian children. So we will spend money to pitch in and attack the suspected manufacturing bases to help those poor children ( with no international consensus or parliamentary vote)...

But we won't give them refuge - oh no.

SwedishEdith · 14/04/2018 18:49

Spanish woman dragged by hair on Night Tube and told ‘speak English when in England’

metro.co.uk/2018/04/13/spanish-woman-dragged-hair-night-tube-told-speak-english-england-7465562/?ito=amp-share-twitter-top

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2018 22:13

Leavers who were told by remainers they were racists, now get the opportunity to prove to the contrary. Any tiny slithers of doubt over Brexit can slowly leak out in horror and outrage at the Home Office.

'But we never supported this anti immigrate policy.' Oh no. That's not what we meant and wanted from Brexit.

Its an odd old get out of jail free card for some.

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RedToothBrush · 14/04/2018 22:17

Famous and inspirational quotes @quote_dark
" Racism oppresses its victims, but also binds the oppressors, who sear their consciences with more and more lies until they become prisoners of those lies. They cannot face the truth of human equality because it reveals the horror of the injustices they commit. " - Alveda King

And yet, we have the situation with the Windrush Generation...

...interesting.

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DancingLedge · 14/04/2018 22:51

Watch the anger clicking the numbers up on the petition
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/216539

Please sign, and share, we cannot allow this to happen in our names
Look at this m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155782852512672&id=148007467671&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&_rdr

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2018 05:55

Carole Cadwalladr @ carolecadwalla
This is a BIG deal. Same week ICO raided Cambridge Analytica, it served legal notices on @Arron_banks & @LeaveEUOfficial. What IS going on?

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/14/leave-eu-arron-banks-new-question-referendum-funded-brexit-cambridge-analytica?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
Leave.EU, Arron Banks and new questions about referendum funding
Revealed: Leave donor faces data investigation as first documentary evidence of Cambridge Analytica Brexit ‘work’ uncovered

The ICO do not have the resources nor expertise to handle this...

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RedToothBrush · 15/04/2018 06:11

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mark-carney-marxism-automation-bank-of-england-governor-job-losses-capitalism-a8304706.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Mark Carney warns robots taking jobs could lead to rise of Marxism
Mass unemployment, wage stagnation and growth of communism could come from technological advances

Why is it for the Governor of the Bank of England to say this and not politicians and the media?

Instead we get immigration and broadcasting of rivers of blood speech, which hardly set up an alternative narrative.

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RedToothBrush · 15/04/2018 06:35

Carole Cadwalladr @ carolecadwalla
BREAKING: Invoice shows Cambridge Analytica did do work on Brexit. A year of denials and legal letters and a hugely convoluted payment mechanism. But here it is....
First documentary evidence of Cambridge Analytica's work for UKIP/Leave revealed. PLUS ICO launches legal proceedings against @LeaveEUOfficial & @arron_banks
Cambridge Analytica's CEO, Alexander Nix to @CommonsCMS parliamentary committee. Compare & contrast

Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs
Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs
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RedToothBrush · 15/04/2018 06:37

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/14/damian-collins-mp-interview-need-reform-electoral-law-digital-age?__twitter_impression=true
'Was the Brexit poll compromised? We may need a public debate about that'
Damian Collins, chair of the Commons committee looking into data breaches, says we are in the foothills of a global story

Remember, Collins is Conservative.

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