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Westminstenders: Throwing Boomerangs

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2018 18:42

British politics and media in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_effect_(psychology)#Political_beliefs

No EU progress, no discussion. Just this. Keep everyone in line by bouncing boomerangs.

Disaster capitalism looms, they just have to get us to the edge of the cliff before the centre reforms. That's it.

If the legal roads to stop Brexit are closed as David Allen Green says, then how do you force the political flood gates to open, especially with both the far left and the far right using micro-aggression against the public to keep the centre ground weak?

Answers on a ballot paper on 3rd May.

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Motheroffourdragons · 14/04/2018 07:49

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Peregrina · 14/04/2018 07:57

In this case, history will be her judge. Amazing, ins't it, how she finds magic money trees when it suits her?

Both the UK and France are still suffering delusions of Empire, and the US still think it leads the world. They will have a rude awakening, but how much carnage will there be meanwhile?

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2018 08:02

Look what's rattled Andrew Neil's cage.

Andrew Neil @ afneil
Reading how Home Office targeting ‘Windrush generation’, those who came from the West Indies to Britain from 1948 in first wave of Commonwealth immigration. Now threatened with deportation despite decades here. Back on air next week. Hope Home Office prepared to explain itself.

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Peregrina · 14/04/2018 08:07

For once, I think Andrew Neil is right talking about the Windrush generation. It's deplorable.

DancingLedge · 14/04/2018 08:09

Good.
The Windrush deportations are truly disgusting. Britain's own dreamers.
The expulsion and withdrawal of NHS treatment from people in their 50s,60s and upwards, who went to school here, work here, and now are being expelled to countries they have no memory of, and often no family.
Petition on this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3221669-Windrush-Petition

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 08:14

I wonder if the USA, UK, France - the countries who will be responsible for creating the next few million refugees -
will live up to their responsibilities and either take them in, or properly fund safe havens in the ME
or
will they abandon their responsibilities and leave it to other countries to deal with the innocent casualties ? Hmm

Maybe I'm cynical, but I expect once the war has served its purpose of distracting attention from domestic political disaster,
Syrian refugees will again be demonised.

If you don't want refugees "flooding" into your countries, then stop creating refugees

Peregrina · 14/04/2018 08:16

Signed. As that thread points out - they are not even our 'dreamers' but people who were brought here perfectly legally. Indeed some countries they came from weren't then independent, so they were British subjects who travelled on British passports.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2018 08:20

www.freemovement.org.uk/why-caribbean-commonwealth-citizens-are-being-denied-immigration-status/

In which we find up to 57,000 people could be affected.

All of whom have to pay £229 to get the paperwork they require to 'be legalised' (even though they were already legal), be able to prove when they entered the country, and proof that they have been resident here without a 2 year break since 1988 and commonwealth citizenship. Oh and they are not eligible for legal aid.

Now I think I would struggle to prove this. I just don't have all that paperwork still. Tracking it down would be a nightmare.

DH last job application involved a huge amount of proof. For just the last ten years. It was crazy. He struggled to provide it.

Could I prove continuous proof of my residence in the UK since birth if I had to? I don't think I could. But I don't have to...

It'll be interesting when this gets tested in court. And the home office loses.

I guess this is Brexiteers 'sending them back to where they cane from.'

Oh the BBC is playing Enoch Powell's River of Blood speech on R4 this week.

How timely.

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Peregrina · 14/04/2018 08:22

And the home office loses.

And wastes time and money appealing.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2018 08:27

Of course. A home office exercise is arseholery wouldn't be complete without a shed tonne of tax payers money being poured down the drain on an act of shameless racism.

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 08:29

The required standard of proof of legal residence is reportedly 4 pieces of documentation for every single year.
Impossible for most of us to produce except for about the last 3 years

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 08:48

Additional harmful future effects of Brexit that the govt has yet to tackle …
The EU Notices to Stakeholders - E27 and UK - in all the various sectors make sobering reading.

”A harbinger of catastrophe”
what R North calls the 62nd EU Notice to Stakeholders, which covers
"Withdrawal of the United Kingdom and EU Aviation Safety Rules"

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-aviation-safety.pdf

Looks like it will apply from 1 January 2021 and he thinks UK aviation will be buggered for a while afterwards:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86832

"the Notice lists certificates and approvals in relation to a whole raft of activities and circumstances.

These include
certificates of airworthiness, restricted certificates of airworthiness, permits to fly, approvals of organisations responsible for the maintenance of products, parts and appliances, approvals for organisations responsible for the manufacture of products, parts and appliances, approvals for maintenance training organisations, and certificates for personnel responsible for the release of a product, part or appliance after maintenance.

They also include
pilot licences, pilot medical certificates, certificates for pilot training organisations, certificates for aero-medical centres, certificates for flight simulation training devices, certificates for persons responsible for providing flight training, flight simulation training or assessing pilots' skill, and certificates for aero medical examiners.

They extend to
certificates for air operators and attestations for cabin crew, certificates for aerodromes, certificates for air traffic management and navigation services providers, licences and medical certificates for air traffic controllers, certificates for air traffic controller training organisations, certificates for aero medical centres and aero medical examiners responsible for air traffic controllers, and certificates for persons responsible for providing practical training or assessing the skills of air traffic managers.

None of these certificates, licenses or approvals issued before, on or after the withdrawal date by the competent authorities will remain valid in the EU.

… any UK registered airlines will require, de novo, Third Country Operators' Certificates

Additionally, operators of aircraft registered in the UK (even if they are EU operators) will have to demonstrate that safety standards equivalent to those imposed by Union or national law are met.

…. Once our approvals, etc., cease to be valid in the EU, they will no longer be valid in the US.
This will apply to many other countries in the world.

there will be some gaps in coverage when some (or even all) operations will not be able to function outside the UK."

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 14/04/2018 09:33

It's not a big positive, sure. But no one gets to hide behind everyone else. This is tm alone now. I'm guessing history is going to show us that subverting democracy whether lying or blatantly is completely stupid.

The windrush deportations make me so angry. Never mind singing the praises of commonwealth trade whilst treating those who were born there like scum.

Peregrina · 14/04/2018 09:39

Don't forget it's mostly black citizens who are being discriminated against. When the Leavers talk of the Commonwealth, it's only Australia, New Zealand and maybe Canada that they mean.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 09:46

Yes, Fox, JRM & co are thinking ANZAC, plus often Singapore

  • but with the latter they mean copying their system, re lack of regulations, rather than allowing non-white folk from Singapore to come to the Uk
Motheroffourdragons · 14/04/2018 09:55

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 10:10

More taking back control … by the US

http://www.mro-network.com/maintenance-repair-overhaul/faa-prepared-oversee-its-uk-mros-post-brexit-if-needed

[The US] FAA, planning for a worst-case scenario,
is prepared to take over surveillance of its 180 approved repair stations in the U.K.
if a new regulatory bilateral agreement isn't in place when the country leaves the European Union (EU) next year.

Mistigri · 14/04/2018 10:11

Don't forget it's mostly black citizens who are being discriminated against. When the Leavers talk of the Commonwealth, it's only Australia, New Zealand and maybe Canada that they mean

Interestingly, I have seen some anti-immigration/leave accounts on twitter attacking the government on this issue.

Bizarrely, it does seem that the "out group" now consists of Muslims, Romanians, Poles and to lesser extent other Europeans (but not Russians), rather than middle aged Commonwealth immigrants.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 10:12

I wish I could believe that the Uk govt had feasible worst-case plans

Admittedly, ll the other countries are planning for something which only affects the Uk part of their activity, often a small part,
whereas the UK has to have plans for every aspect of life that interacts with other countries

Peregrina · 14/04/2018 10:13

Well who would have thought it? The Fail is launching a campaign for Albert. The one who needs to find £54,000 for the cancer treatment which he is entitled to for free. I won't link to the Fail, I refuse on principle. The mood is definitely changing.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 10:21

Leave voters have very different views on several topics - hence why most demand unicorns from the EU;
otherwise, there is no Brexit that could be negotiated which would satisfy a majority of Leavers

It's the same as with any temporary political alliance that brings together people across the political spectrum
If their final aims are inherently contradictory, then after the alliance gains power, they become frozen in argumentative impotence,

leaving a chaotic void for the extremes to take over.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2018 10:22

Any effective alliance needs to agree both on core aims and the concrete methods to achieve them

mrsreynolds · 14/04/2018 10:29

I think by 2020 it's looking increasingly likely that we will have a bino....which gets the question why bother??

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