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Ever closer to Brexit! 🥂 🍻 🍾

Remainers are welcome, as ever.

But!

If you just want to abuse Brexiteers, then start your own thread.

This is a pub thread, not an interrogate-a-Brexiteer thread

We have more in common etc, even if Brexit divides us.

One child at the school down the road has 4 phones...
Your kidding yourself If you think the school has stopped phone use....
If business can cage a building to stop signals a school can and should....
If you need your child phone on the landline or go there....
Even 10 years ago it didn't kill a child Not to have a phone.

Gordon Bennet - what planet is Mummy on?

No problem with the kids having their phones - just needs to be strict rules re playing on them in lessons.

The school my kids are at seems to manage fine.

Your kidding yourself If you think the school has stopped phone use....

I’m really not. There is no phone use by pupils at school during school hours. Or by staff in front of pupils. It is non negotiable.

Not sure how, even if it was possible, preventing young people from having phones in school is the answer to poor future parenting. I seem to recall poor parenting was just as prevalent in my youth and that was before there were even phones in most homes.

And it has nothing to do with Brexit.

Ha ha you lot are so up your selves...

All kids use phone a in schools till they get caught....then do it again.....

mummmy maybe your DC’s school lets them do it (or let’s them get away with it). Mine does not. As I said, it is non negotiable.

Mummy that may be your/your child's experience but it is not the same for all. Again, just because you might want to wish it was the case that your experience applied to everyone does not mean that is, in fact, what happens.

Mummy that may be your/your child's experience but it is not the same for all. Again, just because you might want to wish it was the case that your experience applied to everyone does not mean that is, in fact, what happens.

I'm sure mine do use their phones, I'm under no illusion that they're angels! - but if they're dicking about in class on them they get confiscated - parents have to go in to pick it up.

I've had to go in & get my eldest's phone back once - he got enough of a bollocking for wasting my time that he's made sure he hasn't been caught a second time.

I am being unfairly accused of a lack of empathy - not at all: I am merely advocating a pragmatic approach to government policy. The tories are so scared of being accused of being the nasty party that they are forgetting the legitimate foundation of traditional conservatism. In domestic social policy you have to realise a. There is no magic wand (and state funding isn’t a proxy for such a thing) and b. That responsibility lies with the individual before it lies with the state.

I accept Northern Ireland is a difficult problem; I do not accept that it can’t be solved and that a hard border is not part of that solution.

You may not like what I am saying but that is no reason to marginalise me as some kind of heretic - when you consider the last general election returned a conservative government and that Brexit was the majority verdict perhaps you have to accept that your views are those of the minority and not mine.

Lastly I can accept that there were sound reasons to have voted remain. It is telling many of you refuse to accept leavers had a point at some level. Which of us in the intransigent one?

The last General Election returned a HUNG PARLIAMENT.
Tories did a deal with DUP to lead our present coalition.

Pupil Phones are often used in lessons at DD's secondary school.

The view that most people voted for pro Brexit parties at the last GE isn't entirely accurate.

Many many many Remainers voted Labour under the misapprehension that Corbyn would stop a hard Brexit, for which there is no mandate.

They were wrong.

Will be watching the local elections in May with great interest.

"I do not accept that it can’t be solved and that a hard border is not part of that solution."
I think you are the only person who is happy for a hard border.
I agree that Sinn Fein and DUP are little better than gangsters.

You may not like what I am saying

Wrt NI you're not saying anything though. You're just saying it's difficult but can be sorted; you've just no idea how.

That's just a typical Leaver comment; I want it so I'll stamp my feet and demand someone sorts it for me even though there appears to be no way to do so that doesn't involve remaining in SM/CU.

Similarly

I can accept that there were sound reasons to have voted remain. It is telling many of you refuse to accept leavers had a point at some level

If you tell us what your 'point' is using something more tangible than sound bites and rhetoric, we'd listen.

As it is you just waffle on about 'ever closer union' which is meaningless unless you quantify how it will happen and why it is a problem worth the upheaval we are going through to leave.

Hey there are other political views than traditional (not sure what that might be) conservatism. I would suggest that the conservatism of Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and JRM are all different particularly in terms of how the 'just about managing'/marginalised/those in poverty are supported or not by the state.

So you may take the view that survival of the fittest, entirely responsibility of the individual/no role for the state but that is not a view shared by others in the UK/on this thread. Look around your own existence and try to see those elements of the state that you have relied upon to be there that as an individual you could not have done for yourself. And may you never find yourself in need for greater support - health/social care/welfare for you or your family.

On NI - just wishing won't make a solution happen. I have summarised my view of the international legal position. Do you agree or have a different explanation of how your wish for the UK to leave the EU will be achieved - not even asking you to ensure that the fragile peace is maintained.

I would find it more honest of those who voted leave and just 'wish' for a solution with regard to the border in Ireland to at least accept that they had little real understanding of the terms of the GFA/BA/peace agreement and how it interconnected with the decision to leave the EU. That a solution is not clear. That a great deal more needs to happen than just a vote/decision - job done.

I accept Northern Ireland is a difficult problem; I do not accept that it can’t be solved and that a hard border is not part of that solution.

I am not sure what you mean by the last part of that sentence, but what matters here is that the EU will never sign a withdrawal agreement that results in a hard border. To be seen to disregard the national security of a member state in this way simply isn't conceivable: it won't happen.

That's not to say that we couldn't end up with a hard border - that might happen, but only in the context of a disastrous (for all parties, but particularly for the UK) and chaotic Brexit with no agreement at all.

BFJ has large negative shame. A mega useful idiot accuses another person, to be fair also an useful idiot albeit slightly less accomplished, of being a useful idiot!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43686718

London mum8 - the poison could have been delivered in a lorry marked ‘russian Poison inc’, handed over to the ‘Russian waste management company (Salisbury division) and used against the former Russian agent by ‘igor’

Even then Jeremy Corbyn would not condemn Russia. Useful idiot? He isn’t even that effective. I applaud the government cutting him out of the detailed intelligence briefings. Corbyn cannot be trusted to act responsibly.

Bear behind knows what I mean - she thinks the uk did it!

Even then Jeremy Corbyn would not condemn Russia. Useful idiot? He isn’t even that effective. I applaud the government cutting him out of the detailed intelligence briefings. Corbyn cannot be trusted to act responsibly.

Are you some sort of Tory shill? You are obsessed with Corbyn. There was no conclusive evidence on the poisoning its probably why the government didn't include JC in the briefing.

In attempting to defend the Tory government you are flogging a dead horse. Nothing more now will be done over Russia. May has shown poor judgement since she became PM, wasn't exactly a resounding success as Home Secretary either. And as for Boris?

www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-apologizes-to-british-woman-jailed-in-iran/

she thinks the uk did it!

TBF, the UK government haven't exactly been squeaky clean in the past.

UK agents 'worked with NI paramilitary killers'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32887445

Ghost of - ‘no conclusive evidence on the poisoning’ - says who - are you sat in the relevant intelligence briefings?