Westminstenders: Exit 2020 Vision

[RedToothBrush]

Yet it is a great mistake to suppose that the only writers who matter are those whom the educated in their saner moments can take seriously. There exists a subterranean world where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and the superstitious. There are times when this underworld emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, capturers and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people, who thereupon take leave of sanity and responsibility. And it occasionally happens that this underworld becomes a political power and changes the course of history.
Norm Cohn ‘Warrant for Genocide’ 1970

(As referenced by Nick Cohen).

We have a deal (or bits of a deal). Bino til Dec 2020. Then the cliff?

Still a long way to go. It sounds better than it could be. But worse than it initially seems.

Anna Soubry MP
@Anna_Soubry
No one likes a cheat so when they get caught out there are consequences #balltampering #resign #SteveSmith. As the truth emerges about #Leave dodgy funding, abuse of social media, fake claims & phoney promises, let’s make sure the voters they cheated hold them to account #Brexit

I think the Pete North thing is (yet another) example of the moroncy of Brexiteers. They were so far up their own arses in their echo chamber it slipped their mind they needed the losing sides help. Which generally only happens after you win a war.

For every additional Leave voter a Leave voter can point to, I can point to a remainer. Rinse and repeat (at the rate of one a second for over six months).

Labour MPs challenge Corbyn on antisemitism and Brexit

Just more huffing & puffing - but no bottle ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/24/corbyn-faces-labour-mps-challenge-antisemitism-and-brexit

"He has managed to combine antisemitism with an attack on Remainers in one weekend.
This is about our identity as a progressive, tolerant, pro-European party.
I am in complete despair.”

Just more huffing & puffing
Numbers? The demographics this 'labour' party is losing is increasing by the day: Women, Pro EUers and now those who are anti racist.

Noone likes to admit they were conned, or even mistaken
when it was a decision based on emotion

Revelations like these about CA just cause many Leave voters to hunker down and get even angrier at "Guardian-reading mc Remainers"

Backfire Effect
http://www.skepdic.com/backfireeffect.htmll^^

The "backfire effect" is a term coined by Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler to describe how^

some individuals when confronted with evidence that conflicts with their beliefs come to hold their original position even more strongly:^
…
The more ideological and the more emotion-based a belief is, the more likely it is that contrary evidence will be ineffective^

woman The numbers that matter for Brexit are in the HoC - because of the short timescale

We can only try to firm up the backbone of Remain MPs, to put the country & their constituents before their party loyalties and their own political careers

Deborah Haynes
@haynesdeborah
EXCLUSIVE - UK identifies 1,000s of suspected robotic accounts, part of “extensive” Russia disinformation operation after #Skripal attack.
This is ongoing, Kremlin-backed hybrid warfare against UK. #informationwarfare

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/2-800-russian-bots-sowed-confusion-after-poison-attacks-zf6lvb3nc

Now that Corbynites have effectively gained control of the Labour Party - if not the parliamentary party - over the past few months through appointments to the NEC/changes in the leadership elections etc, perhaps Corbyn will be less determined to hang on? Unlike 2016, he is much more able to anoint a successor who shares his ideology. Maybe he will make a calculation that he can be the Grand Old Man of the Labour Party and have influence/some degree of control from the back benches without having continually to answer questions about pesky matters from his past.

Will it not be a bit like Trump though - the cult appears to coalesce around Corbyn in particular. The cult being the hardcore Corbynites and not Labour in general.

If corbyn goes would that end all the accusations that labour party are antisemitic and misogynistic?

Now that Corbynites have effectively gained control of the Labour Party - if not the parliamentary party - over the past few months through appointments to the NEC/changes in the leadership elections etc, perhaps Corbyn will be less determined to hang on?

Alternatively, the party could write the thoughts of comrade Corbyn into the constitution ? Pretty certain I've heard of that being done before.

Good thread on Twitter by Hugo Dixon on dastardly dealings in the Leave campaign:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/977674160863367168.html

@Andrew_Adonis
Every news outlet apart from BBC covered huge anti-Brexit demo in Leeds. BBC also strangely silent on whether Russia Today should be banned after Salisbury & refused to let me discuss it on air - I assume because it doesn’t want to offend Putin unduly. Compromised news values.

Still thinking about the North thing............. Nick Cohen seems to be saying something similar.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/24/dont-mock-hapless-brexiters-try-to-change-their-minds

'They' are 'in'. In labour and tories.

I agree in so much as it is a question of what next; how one mitigates/ defeats an invasion. Which I would say 'brexit' is.

How could Pete North have missed the forces lurking in the background who would end up shouldering moderates out of the way?

Exactly. For someone as 'clever' as he declares himself to be, he really chose not to think this through. And expects Remainers to rescue him.

"How could Pete North have missed the forces lurking in the background who would end up shouldering moderates out of the way?"

This was exactly the frightening point made by Matthew Parris in his Times article yesterday.

pbs.twimg.com/media/DZCoAb6X4AA8ev3.jpg

The Nick Cohen piece is coming at it from the other side though isn't it? It's saying brexit is a dead duck and it is our job to convince the leavers of such before it is too late. I can agree with that - we do need people to understand that 'project fear' was actually 'project reality' or even 'project no where near fearful enough.'

But what we don't need to do is accept that we're leaving and therefore all put our efforts into bringing about Pete North's vision of sunlit uplands. Or agree to take the blame when it doesn't materialise.

Might help solidify links between Trump and Brexit, which might be useful when Mueller gets further in revealing his findings

Sun Politics
@SunPolitics
Donald Trump lines up surprise visit to the UK to ‘visit both sides of Irish border as a Brexit troubleshooter’

t.co/ayRwvi7tu7

Peston on Sunday
@pestononsunday
.@UKLabour Shadow Brexit Secretary @Keir_Starmer attacks the government and says new blue passports should be made in Britain after we leave the EU. #Peston

twitter.com/pestononsunday/status/977836575127044097

David Allen Green
@davidallengreen
More David Allen Green Retweeted Peston on Sunday
So Labour now against the basic public procurement principles of non-discrimination and equal treatment, and against the policy of value for money.

Sad stuff.

And not only sad, but against WTO and English common law principles, as well as against EU law.

And also against the long-term value for money (VFM) policy of successive UK governments of all parties.

This how far Labour policy has fallen on Brexit.

On the last thread or perhaps the one before, a regular poster wrote an excellent post on how a vote for brexit was like jumping off a cliff and hoping there was a trampoline at the bottom. I want to share it with some friends, but I can’t find it. Could someone please repost it or remind me where it was? It just perfectly summed up the Brexit madness.

Can't remember the post, but imo,

it's like jumping off the cliff and blaming others for punishing you, if they haven't put an expensive high-tech trampoline down there to save you

was it this one GingerPCatt?

Leavers have to get this through their head - YES THEY DID VOTE FOR THIS! They voted for the unknown. They voted for no tangible plan. In essence, they voted for every possible outcome including the very worst disasters imaginable...because when you take a leap off the cliff you can hope for a feather mattress on top of a trampoline all you want... but you might end up (much more likely) being dashed against the rocks. It was their choice to jump. They jumped. They voted to be smashed to pieces just as much as they voted to bounce right back up again.

They have to take responsibility. It isn't that they didn't vote for this - they did. It's just now they realise that vote was wrong. So that's what they need to be saying!

Yes! Thank you.
To whomever wrote it, do you mind if I share on Facebook? With credit to you of course.

It was mine - share away

Starmer has to be the biggest political disappointment of my life.

He has turned out to be stunningly dishonest and really not very well-informed at all.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/93901/labour-mps-demand-jeremy-corbyn-answers-questions
Labour MPs demand Jeremy Corbyn answers questions over anti-semitic mural
Labour MPs have called on Jeremy Corbyn to appear before them tomorrow to answer questions over his defence of an anti-semitic mural.

Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
I understand Jeremy Corbyn will not be attending tomorrow night’s meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party.