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Westminstenders: From Russia with Love

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2018 21:11

Things just got scary.

The colony of US puppet state or a vassel state of the EU?

Why not just let market forces take their course and let Russia buy the UK?

How did we get to stories of spies and mafia who buy politicians?

Just who are our enemies and allies?

Won't someone think of the effect on house prices in Salisbury?

Try not to don your foil hat, brace yourself and resist shouting 'money laundering too loud'.

More turbulence ahead.

Brexit still seems like such a cracking idea doesn't it?

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thecatfromjapan · 16/03/2018 08:13

That is a tough tone on financial regulation, lonelyplanetmum. I've been wondering about what deals the UK government has had to make behind the scenes to ensure support from EU nations. I also wonder if, behind the tough tone, there has already been a degree of concession by the UK government.

We'll see.

RedToothBrush · 16/03/2018 08:45

Chuka Umunna @ chukaumunna
BREAKING: @CommonsNIAC including 3 DUP MPs says it “was unable to identify any border solution currently in operation across the globe that would enable physical infrastructure to be avoided” given the Govt decision to leave the Customs Union & Single Mkt

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/northern-ireland-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2017/ni-land-border-report-publication-17-19/
No progress in finding solution to Brexit border problem

Government should clarify the rules
The report calls on the Government to do more to clarify the rules, processes and technical measures that will allow the current frictionless border arrangements to continue.

Border solution
The report addresses the fundamental question of how the UK’s decision to leave the Single Market and Customs Union can be reconciled with avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland. The UK Government has repeatedly underlined that the free movement of people across the border will not be affected, and that no physical infrastructure will be put in place. However, the Committee was unable to identify any border solution currently in operation across the globe that would enable physical infrastructure to be avoided when rules and tariffs diverge.

Main recommendations
The Committee concluded that the Government’s proposals are imaginative but that it will not have the time to implement a new non-visible customs regime before withdrawal day.

The Committee rejected any proposals for customs checks which would result in a customs border down the Irish Sea. This would create a costly barrier to trade with Northern Ireland’s largest market and would be incompatible with the spirit and intent of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.

The Committee found that additional infrastructure at the border would not only be politically objectional but ineffective and unworkable.

Leaving the EU without a substantial agreement would have very negative consequences for avoiding a hard border. The Committee welcomed commitments that this would not happen.

Common Travel Area
The Government should set out in detail how it proposes to manage immigration through internal controls, including whether there will be increased documentary checks to determine entitlement for residency and to access public services.

Clarify how the Common Travel area protects the special status of British and Irish citizens in each other’s countries. If existing law is not sufficient, the Government should publish a draft bill that safeguards CTA associated rights.

North/South cooperation
The Government should conduct an impact assessment for the border each time regulatory or tariff divergence from the EU is proposed.

Peace funding
^Set out in more detail its proposals for a bilateral successor to the Peace programme and whether it will seek to continue funding for cross-border projects under the Interreg programme post-2020
Brexit's success or otherwise hinges on the UK-Ireland border^

Publishing the report, Committee Chair Dr Andrew Murrison MP commented:

"Brexit's success or otherwise hinges on the UK-Ireland border. Everyone agrees that the border after Brexit must look and feel as it does today.

However, we have heard no evidence to suggest that there is currently a technical solution that would avoid infrastructure at the border. Furthermore, we have no detail on how checks on goods and people will be undertaken away from the border.

It is now clear that a significant transition period is essential for the options in December's Joint Report to be worked though. It is equally clear that regulatory and tariff alignment will be required during transition to avoid any hardening of the border before a definitive low-friction solution can be determined."

RTB: Government committee including DUP state what twitter and the EU have been saying for months

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Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 08:53

Apparently the Swiss who are world leaders in technology for almost seamless borders says it will be years before they could perfect such a thing. So if they can't do it, can't see how we can. There will have to be some sort of infrastructure I should imagine. That's why I thought Chris Grayling, transport minister made such a gaff on question time last night. Its impossible to have what we have now on the border when we leave the EU. The vice president of EU said as much last night.

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 08:53

While eyes are turned to Salisbury, they are trying to ram the repel bill through by any means necessary; including dictatorial powers. Which would appeal to current labour party just as much.

'brexit' and separation of powers are the only game in town.
If we (and @50Chalenge, Gina Miller, Jo Maugham/ Adonis etc) don't track them, no one else will.

@Andrew_Adonis
Row in the Lords last night over Govt’s refusal to have any break in proceedings on the EU Withdrawal Bill after the House had been sitting for 10 hours! So much for ‘parliamentary sovereignty’: the struggle, day by day, is against a claim of ‘executive sovereignty’ by Mrs May.

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 08:57

The Committee rejected any proposals for customs checks which would result in a customs border down the Irish Sea
Good.
And this is happening now: Shock
Northern Ireland parents giving kids drugs before being shot by paramilitaries, says police chief
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-parents-giving-kids-drugs-before-being-shot-by-paramilitaries-says-police-chief-36702065.html

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 09:00

May wants absolute powerSad
So, on the news substance was in daughters suitcase either on clothing or a present. They doubt agent/perpetrator was ever in the UK. What a dreadful thing to do. I cannot believe the evil in it.Sad
So it comes from Moscow, but who? I don't think we will ever know for sure.Angry

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 09:05

What the hell sort of world are we living in woman I just want to cry. Are we even human anymore?Sad

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 09:10

If all the lords walk out in protest at length if sitting then proceedings have to stop don't they? Can they do that?

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 09:13

Corbyn and Mogg are both looking on greedily at the repel bill powers.

VivaKondo · 16/03/2018 09:15

woman I know I was and still am quite uneducated of what is going on in NI.
But THAT???
And I thought the U.K. was a civilised country :(:(

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 09:20

Any brexit supporting corbyn fan or torykipper is green lighting a return to worse pre GFA violence and sectarianism, in NI and on the mainland.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/03/2018 09:44

OMG. Woman. What.

We have messed with the fragile situation in NI. We have messed with a fragile balance of dynamite.

Chief Constable George Hamilton said some parents were acquiescing in the punishment shooting system by bringing their children to arranged appointments for beatings and shootings.
"You have a culture of lawlessness and fear in some of these communities where the victims know who is shooting them," he said.
"The parent knows who is shooting their child. Sometimes parents are negotiating with these thugs to take the kid to certain places by arrangement.
"It is not unknown to my officers that in certain circumstances parents have dosed their kids up with powerful painkillers and alcohol to remove the impact of the 'punishment' shooting or beating.
"By colluding in this they (the parents) are hoping to negotiate less severe beatings or shootings.

Understatement alert...
"There is something madly wrong with society whenever parents even countenance doing that with their own children."

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 09:48

Is this fake news? I'm hoping so. Its so unbelievable.SadSad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/03/2018 09:53

I saw the headline yesterday but thought it was talking about a time gone by and didn’t read the article. I can’t believe it’s happening now. That is horrifying

lonelyplanetmum · 16/03/2018 10:00

It's not fake news it's from the Belfast telegraph. I just don't think we come close to understanding what NI was like and how fragile everything is.

I visited the Uni in Belfast a couple of years ago and was shown around briefly by a taxi driver who was ex IRA and had served a long prison sentence! Scary it was.

I was astonished by everything he told me. He was happy to do anything, park on pavements, corners, double yellow lines etc in 'his' streets but insisted on keeping the engine running in neighbouring unionist streets just a few metres away from his own patch.

Understanding his and the family involvement was so hard. He said when he was imprisoned during the troubles, he acted as he did ( helping plant explosives) so his brother and cousins would be proud of him.

I can't believe the referendum has messed all this up. For what?

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 10:02

This was in yesterday's paper, pain

I found out what happened when a mother took her son to be kneecapped in Northern Ireland
Sinéad O'Shea
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/mother-son-kneecapped-northern-ireland-brexit-border?CMP=share_btn_tw

Would any have voted brexist if we had been really taught what has happened in NI and ROI?

Blood on the hands of anyone defending it now.

Looking at you Kate Hoey.

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 10:04

I'm speechlessShock

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 16/03/2018 10:05

Sadly woman I think they would have voted for it. Because by and large Little Englanders cared nothing about NI then and don't now.

Peregrina · 16/03/2018 10:06

Would any have voted brexist if we had been really taught what has happened in NI and ROI?

The DUP had first hand knowledge, which must have included the violence perpetrated by their own side. Yet they voted for Brexit. Gove ought to have known as should Theresa Villiers, N Ireland secretary at the time, yet they both voted Leave. Perhaps they think that N Irish lives don't matter.

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 10:07

tbh, lonelyplanetmum british christian sectarianism is a civil fault line which has lurked under the surface for generations. We discussed it way back, I remember on this thread. Alliances are being formed between the apprentice boys, DUP, EDL and presumably brexist tories, labour and their wee friends with deep pockets, and an eye for exploiting a country's existing fracture lines. The pursuit of more sectarian schools on the mainland and NI is a splendid way of keeping the divisions going, btw.

Sostenueto · 16/03/2018 10:10

dobby that is not true! I know plenty of brexiteers who are thoroughly decent people and would be in shock at what is happening in NI.Angry
I understand your anger over brexit but your constant sweeping statements about brexiteers is out of order in my opinion! Angry

womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/03/2018 10:14

Wasn't one of Nostradamus prophecies that “the yellow race will inherit the earth?”

China's economy is in trouble but they have been buying up land all over southern hemisphere and own most of US debt - if they go under so does everybody else….

I sound like the prophet of doom - don't mean to - reality is hard to bear - and I don't think the worse of the GFC is over - too much debt and devaluing of currencies - hold tight like I am doing…

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 10:14

Gove and Hoey aren't Catholic!

woman11017 · 16/03/2018 10:17

What is wonderful, is the fact that we have EU27 who will not let tax dodging corrupt, anti democratic, racist and idiotic brexists force NI back into dangerous pre GFA territories. Smile

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 16/03/2018 10:18

sod you do need to read if you are going to try having a pop. I never mentioned leavers. Show your own prejudices as much as you like though. Again, nice try with the straw man.