Westminstenders: From Russia with Love

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Things just got scary.

The colony of US puppet state or a vassel state of the EU?

Why not just let market forces take their course and let Russia buy the UK?

How did we get to stories of spies and mafia who buy politicians?

Just who are our enemies and allies?

Won't someone think of the effect on house prices in Salisbury?

Try not to don your foil hat, brace yourself and resist shouting 'money laundering too loud'.

More turbulence ahead.

Brexit still seems like such a cracking idea doesn't it?

sos I will apologise for my fricking autocorrect.

dobby you agreed with woman and added little englanders. I object to any sweeping statements about any group of people. I apologise but really little englanders? Why constant insults? I agree with people on here and I disagree with people on here but sometimes it becomes insults if someone disagrees or doesn't know so much. And I'm still angry!

P.s I'm the least prejudiced person on here being of mixed race, having suffered years of every form of abuse you can think of.

Little Englanders are a specific subset of people of a certain attitude type and I didn't say all of them. Not did I ascribe them all a voting pattern. That was you. You can look for your strawman all you want sos but it doesn't stop it being any less of a strawman.

That's awful news from ni. I just can't understand people going along with it, but then I don't live there so have admittedly limited understanding of the history, fears, connections etc that the locals have. But how is this allowed to happen in the UK?

Do you remember the phrase 'unilateral continuity'?

Its now apparently government policy re: Northern Ireland border in event of no deal.

Look at the state of this:

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Exclusive: Secret Brexit agreements cover No Deal “open border” plan to not enforce customs checks at UK border
Full Story #brexitforensics

Govt privately acknowledges no space for checks at key borders.
^No Deal scenario discussed under NDAs involves not enforcing checks on as ‘pragmatic approach’, expecting reciprocity from EU.
Industry says its not happening:
news.sky.com/story/amp/brexit-forensics-playing-chicken-with-the-channel-tunnel-11291767?__twitter_impression=true

Government responds to our story.

Hmmm. I think if you want sweetness and light when it comes to epithets for Leave voters , these threads might not be for you, Sostonueto.

I think we're all being pretty mild - ridiculously mild - in the light of the threat this poses to the GFA.

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
1. Eurotunnel tell us re the Government’s promise of “as frictionless as possible” trade... “the ‘As possible’ has to go. The only way to run this is frictionless.”

2. Treasury in minute to PAC has admitted there is not enough space for checks at key border points. “Border Planning Group has reviewed all border locations...at a number checks difficult to accommodate”... “Government is taking pragmatic approach to border controls...”

though a Leave voter in referendum. “I did, but I didn’t vote for what it appears we are going to get now though”.

Leavers have to get this through their head - YES THEY DID VOTE FOR THIS! They voted for the unknown. They voted for no tangible plan. In essence, they voted for every possible outcome including the very worst disasters imaginable...because when you take a leap off the cliff you can hope for a feather mattress on top of a trampoline all you want... but you might end up (much more likely) being dashed against the rocks. It was their choice to jump. They jumped. They voted to be smashed to pieces just as much as they voted to bounce right back up again.

They have to take responsibility. It isn't that they didn't vote for this - they did. It's just now they realise that vote was wrong. So that's what they need to be saying!

grrr

sorry about that/ rant over.

No cat I don't want sweetness and light and this thread is exactly where I should be. Some things nark me that's all. Some things need not be said, sometimes they do. Some statements have a lot of truth, some don't. And that's all there us to it.

I like the analogy icant.

To be absolutely fair to anyone who voted leave, they might have expected that a few assumptions would stand though - namely that the government would behave in the best interests of its citizens and that they wouldn't go power mad and disregard democratic principles so easily. I thought very poorly of the government and have been shocked by their actions. Not that it helps us now.

I can easily envisage the French, Belgians and Dutch refusing to let UK lorries disembark from the ferries because of the lack of customs checks. This will be a godsend for the Leavers because they will go into full on rant mode about the EU bullying us.

I suspect that this news is what Chris Grayling was alluding to last night.

Dexeu spokesman: “We want to have a customs arrangement that ensures trade with the EU is as frictionless as possible .

Deal “by far and away the highest probability, but we have a duty to plan for the alternative. That is common sense”
So by not planning for NI, there's a dereliction of duty.

ican Absolutely. I'm with you 100% on that rant.

I am sure anyone on this thread could dig up pre-referendum quotes and clips from "Leavers" saying that they didn't care that they didn't know what they were voting for, and that "they" were prepared to suffer if it meant leaving the EU.

"They" are only getting their wish.

Sympathy is in short supply towards that side, but (I've said before) it's hard not to feel a twinge of pity for the 5-10% of Leave voters who really did think we'd stay in the single market and uphold the GFA, and have a nice Brexit.

That said, they could have worked harder to define the original question on the ballot paper, to try and exclude the fellow travellers that have hijacked Brexit.

Icant I agree with you.
I do not acceptvthat it’s ok for people who have voted to leave the EU to then refuse to take any responsibility in the creation of what is a really mess.
It’s too easy to say ‘but that’s not what I wanted’. Really? Did you know what you wanted? Did you know if it was possible, as in REALLY possible? Did you realise that there was nomany versions of ‘leaving the EU’ that it was unlikely that YOUR version of leaving the EU wasn’t going to happen?

This applies too to some people who haven’t voted btw, the ones who didn’t because they couldn’t be bothered or didn’t see the point. You cant be grumbling now about the reality being much harder than you thought it would be.

Meanwhile in Sunderland, a nice victim blaming/young mothers bad poster has appeared. Not Brexit related, but shows how we're dropping down on Women's agency again.

Sky News has revealed that the Government had obliged key border operators to sign non-disclosure agreements over the shape of the post-Brexit border

news.sky.com/story/amp/brexit-forensics-playing-chicken-with-the-channel-tunnel-11291767?__twitter_impression=true

This is truly totalitarian. Enforced silence on the obvious danger and chaos of the brexit.

Endangering the GFA and endangering food supplies:
Some one must be leaning on them, very heavily.

But anyone who supports it is obviously complicit.

From what I've seen so far, what Leavers say is frequently contradictory and mutually exclusive and conveniently mutable. In part this can be ascribed to the fact that there are 17 million individual fantasies at play. But there are also plenty of instances of Leavers apparently suffering from unfortunate split personalities and/or amnesia, for example the @EmporersNewC Twitter thread.

I have a modicum of sympathy for those who thought voting Leave would divert money to the NHS, but that's all. However, Leavers on these threads constantly assure us that they weren't taken in by that claim.

Look how I see it and its only my opinion. Cameron stood and said he would get a better deal for us in Brussels remember? He came back with zilch. That's when the rot set in. Years of austerity overpopulation with no infrastructure to cope with it, bloody ukip etc etc the list is endless so by the time the referendum came ( all because Cameron wanted to appease his party and cockiness) which was Ill thought out with a ridiculous choice and a very disgruntled electorate the nail was put in the coffin.
Then the GE another farce. By the time that was over the fickle public again, (but only just) installed yet another Tory government.
And here we are.
If only always crops up. If only Cameron had got a better deal, if only we had an opposition, if only, if only. Well all we can do is try in as many ways as possible to get the messages out. The blame game in my mind doesn't really move us on ( though its good to have a rant occasionally, we all do it) NI a good example, why doesn't the English press publish it? (Rhetoric question) well maybe we should via our M.PS I'm doing that now.
Well that's my meagre thoughts on it all just about.

I can't really work up sympathy for the Leave voters who aren't getting their personal fantasy of contradictory unicorns, cake and sunshine. Sorry. I guess I'm a bad person.

Mr Rees-Mogg also said that Theresa May had been "generous to the European Union" when she pledged to work closely with the EU to solve border issues

She wants to have friendly relations in the negotiations, but it's a question of nuance and I think they're the stick in the muds in this and have come up with a solution that is wholly impossible for the United Kingdom to accept, that we should take Northern Ireland out of the United Kingdom

Why don't we suggest to them that the Republic of Ireland comes out of the single market and customs union and accepts our regulations? It's an equally logical suggestion

Adolf Mogg's Modest Proposal^

Deafening silence from Corbyn again.

In two very different Russia stories, Johnson has given a statement saying Putin was overwhelmingly likely to have ordered the Salisbury attack.
And Arsenal have drawn CSKA Moscow in the next round of the Europa League. Last time they met in London, the game was attended by one of the chief suspects in the Litvinenko polonium poisoning - traces were later found at the ground.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11372127/Alexander-Litvinenko-killers-put-thousands-of-lives-at-risk-with-trail-of-radiation-across-London.html

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/16/brexit_in_spaaaaace/

Countries are pouncing on space work originally destined for the UK like a “feeding frenzy of hyenas” according to a selection of representatives from the UK industry and education sectors.

The British government’s EU Internal Market Sub-Committee took evidence yesterday on the implications of Britain's exit from the European Union for the UK’s space industry.

Businesses in the trade (in the form of Airbus and Surrey Satellite) painted a gloomy picture, seeing themselves very much at “the sharp end” of Brexit with work on projects such as the Galileo constellation of navigation satellites already starting to bleed out of the UK.

(contd)

I don't really agree with your analysis Sostenueto. Cameron did get something of a deal from the EU, although not as much as he wanted.

Nor did the public install another Tory Government. As the party with the most seats and the incumbent PM, Theresa May was entitled to have a go at forming a Government. She did this by naked bribery of the DUP - which none of us in Great Britain can vote for. How can this be regarded as what the people of the whole of the UK want?