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The Brexit thread.

By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

Remainers welcome, but gobshites & goadyfuckers are encouraged to take their business elsewhere.

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But our Govt agreed to this order of negotiation/agreement. It cannot be changed, well not without a little loss of face and even weaker position for the UK.

I know, which is one of the reasons I'm exceedingly pissed off with the way the whole thing has been handled thus far by the UK.

I have said this numerous times across these threads (contrary to the false suggestion that I have stated: it's the EUs fault that the UK is making such a fist of Brexit).

Another point we can agree on - our UK Govt is indeed having more than a bit of a 'mare in engaging with the EU. Why might that be?

snowmageddon
By walking away from the the deal.
What ever the politicians decide will soon be overturned by reality of people wanting to make money.
I must be feeling very thick today : could you explain your post in words of one syllable that an immigrant like me can understand ?

faith I don't doubt the government have made an epic mess of this but I think it's actually Leavers fault.

The government have been bowing to 'the will of the people' and spouting the rhetoric you all love.

You wouldn't listen to the fact leaving the SM/CU is and was never possible in practice.

It's like we've had to go through this long and arduous process to make you see that and yet you still blame everyone else for facts which were right in front of you all along.

I think wht snow means is that the EU will soon come running to us, begging for a deal once companies such as BMW tell them to. Because they want our money.

Am I right snow?

So, has this thread solved the NI border issue yet?

Yes Gussy. Apparently, all we need to do is go back in time and not agree to sort it out before we've decided on a trade deal...

I’m always amazed at how gullible the mumsnet remainers are. They lap up all the ‘bad’ stuff, ignore, ( or break their necks trying to discredit the good stuff, ) whilst totally not understanding how negotiations work. It’s all a game.
We won’t know exactly what Brexit we’re getting for months yet.

But but but, I thought all quitters knew exactly what was going to happen from the very start!

That's what you keep telling us, anyway...

No surfer Leavers won't admit exactly what we're getting for months yet.

There is a big difference.

This whole fiasco has always been down to that very fact; your aspirations are not based in reality.

@surferjet

I think you're being naive. This is not a negotiation. The EU cannot negotiate. It is merely applying rules.

Why is this not clear?

@Motheroffourdragons

Because of forriners and imiagrunts like me.

OliviaD68
Oh but they like us and want us to come in and do all they jobs - they told Nick Robinson so on Panorama this week

It goes back to the issue that we should never have been given the vote as it was never possible to actually leave the EU.

I disagree. No reason why the UK could not have left the EU, if it had been carefully planned, explained, negotiated and implemented.

It's just the "if" bit the Brexiteers omitted.

While there may be some people supporting remain who claim it is impossible to leave the EU (which is a straw man beloved of Brexiteers) I don't see it that way.

Another way of putting it might be it's impossible for the UK to leave on it's own terms.

I think it's a shame though Surfer. The more hysterical and jaundiced their assertions the less and less likely I am to be able to weed through all the hubris if there are genuine points of concern. I assume the same is true for the political classes and so there is quite a high likelihood that a wide array of unintended bads will creep into the settlement purely because the sceptics will not engage with the detail and practicalities of Leaving being hellbent as they are on forcing a rethink.

@DGRossetti

Leaving is possible but not without economic pain and relinquishing sovereignty.

And then there are the facts Surfer. International treaties have rights and obligations. The UK has obligations with regard to the border on the island of Ireland. Those obligations cannot be met without NI remaining within the SM/CU.

If you imagine a different outcome to the Brexit negotiations (if they are ever concluded) then first the GFA/BA/peace treaty must be renegotiated with the UK govt starting that process. Or the UK Govt breaches that treaty. I did not see that question on the referendum ballot paper.

I do not want the UK govt to wilfully breach an international treaty. Given that the UK Govt is entertaining the need to negotiate with the EU based on our EU membership treaties, the UK Govt does not see breaching international (EU in this case) treaties as boding well for future attempts to negotiate treaties with other countries.

@Motheroffourdragons

Behold the power of stats ;)

howabout
the sceptics will not engage with the detail and practicalities of Leaving
So, what are your best solutions to the major practical issues

• Hard border in Ireland
• EU citizens in the UK
• UK citizens in the EU
• customs clearance at Dover
• cross border trade after Brexit

If you have a good set of thoughts, lets hear it

So these rules are set in stone are they?
What do you think they’ll do if we don’t accept their rules?
Bomb us?

Everything is up for negotiation.

This is the predicted economic pain
amp.uk.businessinsider.com/5-charts-secret-brexit-impact-study-damage-threatened-by-leaving-the-eu-2018-3?__twitter_impression=true

@surferjet

Yep. The rules are set in stone. Because the EU27 are not gonna change them.

Don't see why the EU would bomb us. What are you saying?

Ok DHR leaving the EU is technically possible but we were talking decades of preparation so, for the purposes of my point, it was not possible at the time of the referendum and still isn’t.