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By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

Remainers welcome, but gobshites & goadyfuckers are encouraged to take their business elsewhere.

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If we'd had a coalition government with a few representatives from extreme parties like ukip on the back benches and maybe even in some select committees, we probably wouldn't be in the mess that we find ourselves in now. Certainly the Conservative party would have been less likely to swallow ukip whole and morph into its creepy cousin.

@Heyduggeesflipflop

To put simply: your jingoistic pride is going to cost us our prosperity. Yes, we have become integrated with the EU to our great benefit. We can scrub ourselves out, and plonk ourselves down the chute, all in the name of nationalism and nothing else. There is no credible plan. What could go wrong...

BTW FYI The EU is not a simple trade arrangement, such as say Burkina Faso might have with Togo. It's not United States of Europe either - it's a reasonable consensus union arrangement between sovereign nation states. Nobody is keeping us there by force, it's just tha leaving is an exercise in painful stupidity, therefore by definition unpleasant.

Phone fail. Plonk->plop

It is interesting how posters like Heyduggeesflipflop turn up, post a load of rhetoric, flag waving clap trap then disappear.

Anyone would think they had no more to offer than that

@bearbehind We are very clear we are taking back control because we want to take back control as there is not enough control and that means we will be taking back control.

Sorry if you missed me guys

Jingoistic clap trap? Tha majority of the country sided with me so if you want to call it that feel free if it makes you feel better. I don’t care - I am getting what I wanted and so are millions of others who don’t want to defined as European.

You can bleat all you like but the genie is out of the bottle now and, happily, there is no going back. You made your arguments and they fell flat. Perhaps they were just never that convincing in the first place...

And londonmum8 - if you and those like you - were a little less smug and a little less self satisfied you might have come across better ahead of the referendum.

Insightful observations about persistent remoaners in the Guardian 😂

It's a funny (but sadly true) article overall, taking the piss out of white, middle class men mostly, but the Brexit bit in the second half was a treat! 😂😂

Instantly made me think of some of the posters who persist in haunting these threads, like a bunch of modern-day, ghoulish Miss Havishams swathed in faded, tattered EU flags.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/02/how-will-we-cope-when-the-last-middle-class-man-slumps-to-the-ground

Hey Faith don't knock the Havisham effect , I have styled my house a la Havisham, less shabby chic , more shabby shit, with cobwebs

HeyDuggee The problem is the large minority who didn't vote as you did are still unhappy , not only with the outcome of the vote, but more importantly how that vote has been translated and implemented by the Government.

Being defined as European has more to do with plate tectonics than our membership of the EU.

We’re being called ‘jingoistic’ by the most aggressive poster on this thread.
Lolz.

Frumpety - I’m sorry but plate tectonics is not a good enough reason to dispense with hundreds of years of history as an independent nation state.

The next 30 years of the eu will look like the last 30 - creeping powers and step by step absorption of member states. I for one am not prepared to allow that and the referendum was our best shot to escape it.

I would rather we retained our national self respect that remained in the gilded cage of the eu.

@Heyduggeesflipflop
Jingoistic clap trap? The majority of the country sided with me so if you want to call it that feel free if it makes you feel better. I don’t care - I am getting what I wanted and so are millions of others who don’t want to defined as European

Its true, leave voters are thick! lol! 17m is NOT a marjortiy of 46 million voters, let alone 66m population.....

Are you really getting what you wanted? 40 billion to be paid IN, on going payments (to stay in certain eu bodies) rule taker in what ever significant markets we sell into inc EU.

Fisheries? any deals already made have left them on the side lines.

A divided country, set to get worse, as by 2025 if no-one changes their minds, demographics ensure pro EU will have a 54/46 majority.

I did consider voting leave and if i had i would be extremely disappointed with what has happened so far - a national humiliation as we ve backed down to the EU on every issue.

Hey my sense of who I am is clearly not as precarious as yours, nor has it ever been defined by the UK's membership of the EU.

Crank it up really loud

Off to work now

@Heyduggeesflipflop

And londonmum8 - if you and those like you - were a little less smug and a little less self satisfied you might have come across better ahead of the referendum.

Aha, so you voted to give people like me a bloody nose? Great motivation, and good luck with the consequences.

You can bleat all you like

That's not very polite is it? I can do lots of things my friend, including up and leaving to work in most places in the world. Hope you can do that too, might come in handy soon.

the last 30 - creeping powers and step by step absorption of member states.

The thing is, the absorption is only occurring in your heavily manipulated mind. If anything, we have been absorbing wealth from the EU, particularly through the financial sector generating £70B in TAX! For comparison, the entire NHS budget is about £110B. Good luck to that institution after Brexit.

Food for thought hopefully. Ignore suferjet, Faith and her alter ego BrandySchnapps. They are 2 of the 3 last active Leavers here, and hardly have any conversation ideas besides the usual bullying and sometimes more subtle but still pathetic personal attacks, and of course the 2016 rhetorics.

hey, is there any chance of you answering my question about how you'd feel about abiding by EU rules indefinitely?

And if you won't be happy with that, his it can be avoided?

£72bn in tax (11% of UK tax take from 7.2% of GDP and 3.5% of employment) is generated by the entire UK financial sector. Much of that is entirely domestically generated and nothing to do with the EU.
The largest contributor to the £72bn is employment taxes of £31bn. 2/3 of the sector's employees are outside London.

www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/business/economic-research-and-information/research-publications/Pages/total-tax-2017.aspx

Completely agree on The Guardian piece Faith

Interesting. 15 tests to judge any Brexit deal by:-

• The border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland must remain open with no physical infrastructure or any related checks and controls
• Crime and terrorism: arrangements must replicate current operational and practical cross-border cooperation
• Institutional and decision-making frameworks must be identified to ensure that the UK is able fully to participate in foreign and security cooperation with the EU, to meet the challenges it shares with its EU27 neighbours
• In respect of trade in goods, there must be no tariffs on trade between the UK and the EU 27
• Trade in goods must continue to be conducted with no additional border or rules of origin checks that would delay the delivery of perishable or time-sensitive deliveries or impede the operation of cross-border supply chains.
• There must be no additional costs to businesses that trade in goods or services
• UK providers of financial and broadcasting services must be able to continue to sell their products into EU markets as at present
• UK providers of financial and other services should be able to retain automatically, or with minimal additional administration, their rights of establishment in the EU, and vice versa, where possible on the basis of mutual recognition of regulatory standard
• There must be no impediments to the free flow of data between the UK and the EU
• Any new immigration arrangements set up between the UK and the EU must not act as an impediment to the movement of workers providing services across borders or to the recognition of their qualifications and their right to practise
• The UK must seek to maintain convergence with EU regulations in all relevant areas in order to maximise access to European markets
• The UK's continued participation in the European Medicines Agency, the European Aviation Safety Agency, and the European Chemicals Agency and in other agencies where there is a benefit to continuing co-operation

-The UK's continued participation in the Horizon 2020 programme, the Erasmus+ scheme, the Galileo project and in other space and research programmes

• The UK's continued participation in all relevant air safety agreements and the Open Skies Agreement to ensure no disruption to the existing level of direct flights
• The UK government must ensure maximum access to European markets while agreeing reciprocal access to waters and a fairer allocation of fishing opportunities for the UK fishing industry

Yes. Good link Faith

Yesterday’s men fighting yesterday’s battles.

Perfect summery.

I wonder how many of these Leavers disagree with?

Also what the price of passing each test will be.

bearbehind

FGS get over it.
We’re leaving the EU.

You & Londonmum spend so much time on this, where is it getting you?
Nowhere.

FGS get over it.
We’re leaving the EU.

I see the leaver level of debate hasn't moved on after 18 months. Huge intellectual void.

That's the thing though surfer, you keep saying 'we're leaving' but if the aspiration is to adhere to that list, we're not actually leaving.

We're just telling you we are so you can wave your flag.

@bearbehind

Where did that list come from?

TM/UK Govt