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By Brexiters, for Brexiters.

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@Cupofteaandtoilet

The political position is what you've described. I agree with what you wrote.

The legal position is a notification of INTENT subject to fulfilling the UK's constitutional requirements which we have not. This is being discussed in the courts. There is a contention that we haven't posted our notice properly. It feels as though this could have legs.

But my point was: we THINK we have agreed a transition but we really haven't. The Irish border question must be resolved to proceed. And it won't. It is not soluble. The Venn circles do not overlap.

So it feels as though we will just bump along without either a framework for a deal or a transition agreed. For a while.

Now it is possible that inaction leads to the UK crashing out if the political process you describe is followed.

But the hopeful part of me still believes this will all be stopped when this crash out outcome becomes obvious. There really are only two outcomes. We remain (possibly via EFTA - but then what's the point??). Or we crash out.

*LondonMum8
"I beg to disagree, we are leaving full stop, they ll be no further referendum or extension of the transitional agreement"

... and you @jasjas1973 know all this because? :D*

We ve triggered art 50 thats why and unless we withdraw the letter before march 2019, we simply have nt time to have another referendum especially considering NO party wants one aside from the LibDems, also there just hasnt been a swing to remain, its still pretty much 50/50.
The Governments promise of a meaningful vote on the final deal is accept or leave with no deal, again not enough time to renegotiate.

The current EU budget period ends in December 2020, hence why the transition deal isnt 2 years but 21months, they need to know what monies they are getting, so our payments stop then too.

So any transitional extension would need to extend a further 4 years do you think the brexitiers will condone a further 40 billion to cover this period?

However, there are always unforeseen events that might make withdrawal of the letter a possibility but dreams of a new referendum or BINO are pie in the sky.

So any transitional extension would need to extend a further 4 years do you think the brexitiers will condone a further 40 billion to cover this period?

Sounds like a fair price for economic stability ?

"final deal is accept or leave with no deal, again not enough time to renegotiate."

Except various EU officials have been clear Brexit can be scrapped which logically applies to the BINO transition period too.

Yes, the political situation is ridiculous: 50% of the electorate do not have viable representation. The wonders of the FPTP archaism I guess.

@LondonMum8

No I think that's wrong. Legally during transition we are out. Much tougher to get back in. Possible I suppose but chances feel much more remote.

Pre transition we are still in. Revoking A50 is much much simpler.

The NI border situation has to be resolved before A50 expires though, well before, in order for it to be ratified.

Given the only solution is to remain in the SM/CU, we are going to have to commit to that very soon aren't we?

Which essentially means BINO or revoke A50 to get a better deal, i.e. what we already had.

jasjas1973

For someone who voted to remain, you seem remarkably averse to contemplating BINO or a new referendum. Most moderate remainers I know are quite sanguine about BINO as the least worst option.

@bearbehind

Yep. Agree. Nice to be reminded of process.

Well, let's see how the real Brexit battle over a large chunk of £70B in tax pans out:

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-20/eu-offers-u-k-improved-equivalence-for-financial-services

Meanwhile JRM will be razzling and dazzling his electorate by chucking fish from a boat. Onwards oh glorious idiocracy right to the sunlit uplands.

This, right here...

@Hasenstein

For someone who voted to remain, you seem remarkably averse to contemplating BINO or a new referendum. Most moderate remainers I know are quite sanguine about BINO as the least worst option

Not at all, i just do not believe it will happen and if it does, then what has been the whole point of it all? totally madness, the whole shubang, we ve lost EMA, EBA, Unilever (even if they wont publicly say) spent 2 billion on extra civil servants, caused untold division across the UK, put the NI peace process at risk, forced 10s of 1000s of vitally needed EU workers to leave the UK (esp nhs workers) p1ssed of all of europe....just so we can have BINO ???
'bout time we had a leader who led, instead of being led.

What has been the point if we get BINO?

Exactly!

That's one of the remainder points. We are so tied to the EU economically, legally and socially separating is impractical. We can't effectively do it so it is a lot of time and money for no discernible reward. We may as well stay.

Leaving any other way is impractical.

So delay, transition deals, Parliamentary reports, EU votes, waiting for budget rounds. "Oh dear it has taken soooo long we may as well stay."

if it does, then what has been the whole point of it all? totally madness, the whole shubang, we ve lost EMA, EBA, Unilever (even if they wont publicly say) spent 2 billion on extra civil servants, caused untold division across the UK, put the NI peace process at risk, forced 10s of 1000s of vitally needed EU workers to leave the UK (esp nhs workers) p1ssed of all of europe....just so we can have BINO ???

This ^ with knobs on.

if it does, then what has been the whole point of it all?

That is exactly the point! The quitters have already weakened our country (despite calling us traitors), and left us as a laughing stock to the rest of the world - all for nothing.

And yes, I do think they're all fucking idiots.

What has been the point of it ?

Well imho it has worked rather well for anyone who wants discord in the general populace and who would like the general populace to accept yet more austerity measures in the coming future.

Other than that , really no point in it whatsoever.

Gary Lineker to Farage after today's Thames shenanigans:

^Gary Lineker@GaryLineker
No, I think you’re funny. Funny how you pretend to care about the industry yet during the three years that you were a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, you attended one out of 42 meetings. #hakenews^

Can't think of any sportsy-type persons who've been so consistently and vocally anti-Brexit as Lineker. He's presumably lost 51.8% of his Match of the Day audience by now, so fair play to him.

Is the issue with the warrant that although morally repugnant , the behaviour is not necessarily illegal ? I mean poor judges would never get to bed , never mind being dragged out of them , if they were allowed to issue warrants for being a crap human being would they ?

Ooops epic multi tasking fail ^^ wrong thread

Is everyone looking forward to their nice new French navy passports

The Tories privatised the Stationary Office and was warned this may happen, this would then mean so called fair competition, many countries consider passports a national security issue, so it has stayed in house.

Once again, a UK decision, is being made out to be the fault of the EU, it wont change outside, as we are bound by WTO rules on tenders too.

Brexitiers voted for a Global Britain, this is what it means.

Del la Rue is appealing, so all is not yet lost.

It's interesting to see Agent Corbyn defending Russia and FB.

BAAM! In case somebody missed this:

Cambridge Analytica misled MPs over work for Leave.EU, says ex-director
Brittany Kaiser contradicts CEO, who told MPs the data firm did not work with Brexit campaign group

@BrandySchnapps in case you ever come up with a list of the many book titles exposing Remain campaign fraud, please don't hesitate to put it here :)