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What happened to "The UK holds all the cards" ?????

Again, pretty sure I've never posted this.

I wasn't directing that at you, but at the pre-A50 blather from all Brexiteers that the EU had to give the UK everything it wanted or else.

Whereas (as you correctly if with annoyance point out) the reality was the UK was in no position to demand anything, and had already painted itself into a corner.

As we grind on, the even more horrible reality is that any goodwill the Barmy Brexit Brigade may have had from the Remainers who did want to "pull together" (and there were quite a few) has long since been pissed away on such instances of monumental stupidity - from the Brexiteers.

That's it? That's all the guvna mint did wrong?

Again, why the ridiculous misspelling?

Regardless, I gave my answer (that is: what did I think they had fucked up).

This may not tally with your opinion, and I fail to see why my opinion is required to align with yours tbh.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Your analysis is weak and superficial. As are most of your posts.

For a self described smart woman I would have expected more because there is much more they screwed up on.

Your analysis is weak and superficial. As are most of your posts.

Pot, kettle.

Faith they have indeed 'fucked up'. And for many reasons as listed above, and more besides.

This is not the EU's fault or responsibility.

I agree Faith, that the deliberate misspelling of certain words is a form of sneering and adds nothing to the debate.

Not much "debate" when others are claiming not to have read TM's speech last week or the copious media analysis of it but are still pontificating on the impossibility of delivering the content.

As you were.

Just to add that there is a lot of anger and resentment - I am bloody angry but I can't imagine just how angry, hurt, frustrated, abandoned, let down, EU citizens living in the UK must feel. I can understand this coming to the surface as a bit of sneering.

howabout, sorry?? Are you saying I didn't 'read' the PM's speech? I watched it live - was hoping for something to get behind; to feel more cheerful about. Then I read it, just to make sure I hadn't missed anything. WTF are you talking about?

I am bloody angry but I can't imagine just how angry, hurt, frustrated, abandoned, let down, EU citizens living in the UK must feel

They feel like going "home". And are. Where they will tell all of their friends how warm and welcoming the UK is. And their friends will - in time - tell their children. Especially if those children express a desire to study or work in the UK (if, indeed that is possible, post Brexit).

But teachers, lecturers, doctors, nurses, scientists and engineers are probably overrated anyway. The UK will do so much better without them.

Not heard a squeak from Gisela for ages now

@howabout I agree with @Motheroffourdragons

I did not read about solutions.

So tell us. What did you read? What solutions did you conclude were possible?

Ah! Sorry, took that a little personally "As you were" was an instruction, not accusatory. Soz

Lol 😂 I always read it as an instruction, never would have thought to read it as you did cupoftea

Silly moi

Tea break.

Tea, coffee, mineral water, fruit juice ? There's some Abbey Crunch and Hob Nobs over there, and as it's Friday, someone popped to Patisserie Valerie and got a mix-up over there ....

Right.

So we still are none the wiser on solutions for the Irish border based on where we are.

We are not going to progress further then.

howabout
The UK and the EU have both been very clear for months now that staying in the SM / CU are not on the table.
Um no.
The EU would be absolutely delighted if the UK would stay inside the SM/CU
That is clearly their preferred outcome.

Therefore if the UK want anything else, TM's team have to come up with a coherent plan.

The EU would be absolutely delighted if the UK would stay inside the SM/CU That is clearly their preferred outcome.

The real problem is the fact that in order to do that, the UK ends up having to respect ECJ rulings. This leads to a real hard-of-thinking argument that the UK shouldn't be subject to the ECJ because as a non-EU member it can't appoint judges to it.

Which arse-about-tit argument (I received on these threads last week) is actually a tacit acceptance that currently the UK does have oversight of the ECJ. As indeed it always had.

But even if we put that to one side, there are plenty of other treaties the UK is a signatory of, where final judgement is outside the UKs jurisdiction anyway.

I still remain to be convinced that most Brexiteers actually realise there is a difference between:

The European Court of Justice
The European Court of Human Rights
and
The European Convention on Human Rights.

Although it's really quite easy. The UK proposed and set up the latter two.

@DGRossetti

The real problem is the fact that in order to do that, the UK ends up having to respect ECJ rulings.

Not true. Within EFTA it's the EFTA Court. Always an option ...

@OliviaD68

happy to be corrected, thanks

The EU would be absolutely delighted if the UK would stay inside the SM/CU

Yes they would and they are playing the last card in their hand

I know it's just anecdotal but the only leave voters I know/knew voted for the following reasons:

1. An NHS hospital porter who fell down the TTIP conspiracy rabbit hole and was convinced that the NHS was being sold off by the EU (Irony)
2. 2 x Anti immigrationists, dislike of hearing foreign languages being spoken in Sainsbury's. Tales of waiting times at the Dr and schools being full of ESL children (not true where we live).
3. Several x to give Cameron a good kicking.

These were, in the main, people who had never previously engaged with politics. Referendums are silly.

Iain Martin
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"The EU wants nothing from silly old Britain. Apart from tariff-free trade for giant surplus, our fish, £40bn cash, and help with security."

DH never pursued his French dual nationality partly because of compulsory military service. Interesting that Macron may reintroduce it and I wonder what impact EU military strategic integration will have in the future.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/14/france-emmanuel-macron-compulsory-military-service-young-people

Cupoftea I was on the fence but voted Leave because it makes it very difficult for the SNP to pursue Independence while wishing away all the practical economic complexities.