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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 20:21

Really stressed today because dgd stressed about upcoming exams. I need a stress doll! Here I go a Michael Give stress doll!

Westministenders: One for the Women
Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 20:22

Give, damn phone!

Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 20:22

Gove

Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 20:28

Quote off another thread.

When there were terrorist attacks in the UK by Islamic extremists, Trump took to twitter within minutes to criticise London's (muslim) mayor. Yet, a WMD attack on its closest ally..and 7 days later - nothing?

Why hasn't Trump commented?Hmm

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/03/2018 20:30

pain cognitive dissonance?

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/03/2018 20:31

as in those who labelled it project fear are similar to those ignoring the Russia stuff, not your cognitive dissonance.

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 20:40

People in the restaurant in which the poisoning took place have been told to wash their clothes? Sounds like a peculiar response to this stuff, which sounds horrendous, if it's for real.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/12/salisbury-mp-convinced-residents-are-safe-from-nerve-agent

Russian is calling it a 'circus show' and taking the piss:

@faisalislam
Faisal Islam Retweeted Dominic Waghorn
Via @DominicWaghorn - Banned Russian Opposition leader Navalny tweets that effective sanctions if Russian state involvement proved - would be against “three surnames” in U.K. including football team owners Abramovich and Usmanov

Old article on germ war tests in Britain.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

All very odd.

Sostenueto · 12/03/2018 20:49

Apparently they have now cordoned off Sainsburys to search. Something about babywipes.
There's a thread on the attack here on mn

thecatfromjapan · 12/03/2018 21:03

Sos Your poor gd. It's horrible when they're the serious, stressy type. My ds wasn't, which was a whole other problem ... Maybe your job is to be the irresponsible, stress-free, provider of light relief and friendly carbohydrates? Good luck to her, anyway.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2018 21:12

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43372084

Cailleach1 · 12/03/2018 21:13

It's horrible when they're the serious, stressy type.

When they aren't, I definitely maybe the parents become serious and stressy.

thecatfromjapan · 12/03/2018 21:24

Cailleach So true. Grin

SusanWalker · 12/03/2018 21:25

So all the brexiteers going on about money spent on unelected bureaucrats in the EU can now moan about the money spent on unelected bureaucrats in the UK.

frankiestein401 · 12/03/2018 21:30

told to wash their clothes? Sounds like a peculiar response

no idea about this one - but nerve agents were designed as far as possible to degrade on contact with soil or water - army using them don't want their own soldiers to fall victim to residue - washing eminently sensible and not a risk to water course

SusanWalker · 12/03/2018 21:31

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/anna-soubry-and-chuka-umunna-the-brexit-generation-will-never-forgive-our-parties-if-we-fail-a3787531.html

The most interesting bit to me is this:

"It is frustrating to be urged on in private by ministers and those who should know better in the dark corners of Westminster’s long corridors, muttering “well done — keep on going”, without this being matched by public action.
We assure you we will, but the time has now come for them to say in public what they whisper to us in private.

Given a free vote, we believe our colleagues would support Britain staying in both the single market and customs union — not just because that is what they believe in but because their constituents are desperate for an outcome that secures the economic future of their children and grandchildren.

We also believe that if we don’t get this right there will be profound adverse consequences not just for our economy and place in the world but also on the way we do politics in Britain.

Too many government ministers bury their Brexit fears under piles of ministerial papers, shy away from debate in interministerial groups and get whisked away from difficult discussions in cosy cars. Too often their excuses for ducking the difficult decisions are parroted by the Opposition frontbench."

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2018 21:45

Pain, Russia was part of Project Fear.

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0XD0KC
Brexit would weaken EU's front against Russia: UK's Europe minister
(That was the now Cabinet Minister David Liddington).

Cameron also made the point on several occasions too.

Its amused me, if nothing else. Not something you can definitely say wouldn't have happened anyway (I mean there is a suspected 14 murders that no one seems to have done fuck all about). I suspect it probably would have happened tbh.

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Cailleach1 · 12/03/2018 22:00

Everyone knows at this stage the UK won't be going around doing a bilateral with each separate EU country. They must be making mischief.

Brigid Laffan Retweeted Open Britain. "The days when @openBritain or any other #Britain could say to #Ireland ‘take it or leave it’ are long over. Ireland as an #EU member state does not do bilateral deals with an about to become 3rd country"

twitter.com/BrigidLaffan/status/972586035606585346

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2018 22:18

Esther Webber @ estwebber
Brace, brace. Crossbencher Lord Hope introducing an amendment to ensure powers under the EU Withdrawal Bill cannot be used to modify the Scotland Act 1998 without Scottish Parliament's consent
Unusually, minister Lord Bourne intervenes to promise guarantees on the devolution settlement at report stage - Lord Hope does not seem reassured
I should add that the issue is v unlikely to be pushed to a vote at this stage, but this is the first substantive chance peers have had to discuss Brexit and devolution - gives a sense of the mood
Wales Minister Lord Bourne stresses the govt will try to meet peers' concerns on devolution at report stage but insists Henry VIII powers are required to make "technical fixes"
Wales Minister Lord Bourne says contrary to reports there has been "substantial progress" in talks between Westminster and devolved administrations - he's swiftly contradicted by a party colleague, Lord Forsyth

Lib Dem Baroness Suttie seeking guarantees the Northern Irish devolution settlement cannot be altered using Henry VIII powers created by Brexit bill

Labour former Wales sec Lord Morris of Aberavon says EU Withdrawal Bill as currently drafted risks going back on devolution settlement "for which some of us have fought all our lives"

Conservative backbencher Baroness McIntosh also backs calls for devolution to be outside the scope of Henry VIII powers

UUP's Lord Empey is the first to argue against protection for devolution from Henry VIII powers - he claims it gives Sinn Fein a veto

Brexit Minister Steve Baker watching in the Lords as peers continue to air concerns about how Henry VIII powers apply to devolved matters

Blue on blue action in the Lords this evening... Conservative Baroness McIntosh asks Lord Forsyth to recognise these amdts go to the heart of devolution

Lord Forsyth condemns her "ideological determination to reverse the decision of the British people"

Sounds like its going well for the government then...

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woman11017 · 12/03/2018 22:44

@eliz_lloyd
The UK government has finally published amendments to Clause 11 of EU Withdrawal Bill but these amendments do not have the support or Scottish and Welsh Govt’s because they do not respect the devolution settlement - here’s a few tweets on why

They propose taking a power to make orders that would see Westminster take control of Scottish Parliament powers but without seeking the consent of the Scottish Parliament. Right now no changes are made to Holyrood’s powers without its consent

The amendment also means that if the UK Govt does pass one of those orders the power is temporarily reserved - so when frameworks on agriculture or fisheries are put into law there is no guarantee Scottish Parliament would be asked to consent then either

On top of that unlike other powers in the bill this one doesn’t expire - the amendment makes it a power that UK Govt could use at any point in any policy area as often and for as long as they like

This is not just brexit direct rule, it's permanent direct rule.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/03/2018 22:47

Ah I see! Thanks, that makes sense. I thought I’d missed that russia was somehow affiliated with those that campaigned for Remain and was very confused Grin

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 22:50

Someone asked up thread about rallies?
www.stopbrexitmarch.com/articles/article-50-anniversary-marked-by-rallies-round-britain/

lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2018 05:48

"Today’s Russian leadership, political and military, believes it is at war with the West.

It is not a war dominated by artillery and tanks, but by finance and social media, with huge opportunities for covert action from disinformation to assassination.

As Russia’s Ministry of Defence stated in 2011, to prevail in these new conditions requires ‘destabilizing the society and state..."

https://www.chathamhouse.org/

lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2018 05:52

The experts st Chatham house are interesting...

www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/trump-has-shown-how-dangerous-he-global-trading-system

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 06:35

Crickey! Knew what Trump was doing would have ramifications but it really is serious for the whole world. But, hopefully someone will be able to curb him.

Peregrina · 13/03/2018 07:16

Why is he described as a 'Russian spy' when he spied for Britain? Why isn't he a British spy, who was stupid enough to get caught?