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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 07:23

He was Russian and originally spied for Russia before turning and becoming a double agent for the British. So perhaps they're referring to his nationality rather than who he ended up working for?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 07:35

Gaining more coverage:

Russian Twitter accounts targeted UK on issues of Brexit, the refugee crisis and the general election

www.itv.com/news/2018-03-13/russia-tweets-brexit-refugees/

Talkstotrees · 13/03/2018 07:37

The Russian Embassy made the same point. I guess the press are talking about his nationality at birth as he is now a British citizen (or so I understand).

Westministenders: One for the Women
oldbirdy · 13/03/2018 07:52

I can't find a thread about Corbyn's response to May's speech yesterday. I heard both driving home last night on PM . I thought at the time how Petty and vindictive Corbyn sounded, political point scoring at a time like this. Ironic when I was desperate for some firm of opposition from Labour during Brexit. Do you brilliant people think this might be his undoing?

What's happened to Labour is a tragedy.

mrsreynolds · 13/03/2018 07:59

It is oldbirdy
It really is 😢

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:15

Putin almost laughed on t.v a few minutes ago. He wants a letter with all details from May about incident before they will make any statement.

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:16

And as getting support from other countries before making up her mind what ' punishment' they are going to met out to Russia is laughable. We cannot do anything to Russia! SBD they know it!

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:17

And

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:18

Labour died aong while ago with Blair.

OliviaD68 · 13/03/2018 08:23

Does anyone know whether GCHQ can be deployed offensively against targets in Russia?

Icantreachthepretzels · 13/03/2018 08:23

Blair never failed to win an electoral majority. Both Cameron and May failed that. And Cameron lost the referendum. The iraq war is/ was unpopular (but as with the way leave voters will have vanished off the face of the earth in a few years time - plenty of people supported Iraq at the time - they just don;t admit that now.) but Tony Blair did many good things in his tenure as PM, and his party were strong.
It was the global banking crisis that did for Brown. Plus they'd had 13 years in power - long enough to become unpopular - it all goes in cycles.

oldbirdy · 13/03/2018 08:25

Blair would have known that that speech yesterday was wholly inappropriate.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 08:27

It won’t come to article 5 will it?

Guy Verhofstadt
@guyverhofstadt
We stand shoulder to shoulder with the British people. It must be made clear that an attack against one EU & NATO country is an attack on all of us.

DGRossetti · 13/03/2018 08:31

As Russia’s Ministry of Defence stated in 2011, to prevail in these new conditions requires ‘destabilizing the society and state..."

It's vaguely struck me that the only thing more destabilizing for the Uk than Brexit would be a vote for Brexit followed by ... no Brexit Hmm

plenty of people supported Iraq at the time - they just don;t admit that now.

I supported it. Because I honestly believed that no PM would sink so low as to lie to commit British troops to military action. Looks like I was wrong. And that experience inevitably has coloured anything I have thought since. As with a great many people.

Just take today, for example. How much would you really trust Theresa May ?

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:33

I wouldn't trust any Tory priminister!

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 08:35

Will they have the guts to implement it pain?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 08:36

There are lots of posts on twitter re: corbyn’s statement but I haven’t seen any threads dissecting it. All I can offer is an article:

news.sky.com/story/amp/jeremy-corbyn-infuriates-house-of-commons-with-russia-response-11287599

Talkstotrees · 13/03/2018 09:13

This is what he said. I’m no Corbyn fan but it seems reasonable.

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-03-12/debates/722E1DF5-68E2-41A0-8F3C-23B6480B93BF/SalisburyIncident#contribution-46727679-A4BA-4FA2-AF18-01A351EC8213

lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2018 09:29

I think Corbyn's comments reflect who he is, a veteran conviction politician. Because of this he used the situation to point score about NHS and police resources and funding...whereas an attempted murder by an overseas government called for something more statesman like.

(I say this as a lifelong Labour voter, up until the referendum that is.)

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2018 09:35

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
David Miliband says Jeremy Corbyn's Commons response yesterday "was strangely like the kind of things President Trump says (about Russia)". Adds: "This is about standing up for British citizens - it's not about being anti-Russia." #r4today

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Talkstotrees · 13/03/2018 09:40

Yes, I heard Miliband and thought he sounded rather statesmanlike - I hope he’ll return to politics full time. I thought the points made by Corbyn were relevant though.

Did you listen to the interview with the Russian MP? Goodness me! I need to hear that again - very concerning that he was put forward.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 13/03/2018 09:40

Yvette Cooper was widely hailed yesterday for making a similar point as Miliband. The standing up for British citizens thing I mean.

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 09:40

Surely Corbyn mentioned NHS and police because of tory implemented cuts to these services means there might not be adequate coverage to deal with this emergency. Its not point scoring its fact that these services are diminished and in these circumstances could be very dangerous indeed when dealing with a nerve gas!

Sostenueto · 13/03/2018 09:41

Nerve agent/poison

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/03/2018 09:43

I heard it talkstotrees. DC were nattering at the same time so didn't catch all of it but was astonished he was on, and then I think called the Polish ex-MP a prostitute for saying that the Russian MP wasn't a true MP because there isn't a true democracy in Russia.