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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2018 01:58

Litvinenko widow warns Tories over Russian donations

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/11/litvinenko-widow-warns-tories-over-russian-donations

The Sunday Times reported that Russian oligarchs and their associates had registered donations of £826,100 to the Tories since Theresa May entered No 1

Labour MPs should not appear on Russia Today, says John McDonnell

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/11/labour-mps-should-not-appear-on-russia-today-says-john-mcdonnell

Shadow chancellor says colleagues should shun Kremlin-funded channel after Skripal attack

TiffinForTea · 12/03/2018 02:28

Ffs I'm type 1 diabetic, reliant on 2 insulins, background insulin 'Levemir' and rapid insulin 'Novorapid' with food. Both are manufactured in Denmark. Because I'm completely insulin dependent, I will die without my insulin. Probably no one has thought about that, fuckers,

mathanxiety · 12/03/2018 03:50

For goodness sake how many people whoever they are when booking a holiday would look into that?
Travel agent: "what can I do for you today?"
Customer " well I want to book a holiday, but before I do I need to know this countries and the EUs policy oh and the rest of the worlds policy on flying treaties?"

Sostenueto - You might not ask that particular question.
But you might ask if there is anything the travel agent knows about political matters in the country you are going to that might affect your plans - maybe a general strike threatened, or street protests or civil disobedience possible, or potential natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes or volcanoes. After that, you might ask about refunds, procedures, insurance, how to contact a rep while on holiday if something happens.

Now that the UK is leaving the EU, you might ask if this might affect your plans too, even if you did not know anything about treaties that keep flights in the air or national and international air space. You might wonder if you needed a visa or if there would be a chance for duty free shopping.

Even after reading this thread, how would you feel about visiting Belfast 12 months from now? (I know it's in the same country but it's a good example).

45 years ago - I don't think things were less complicated. Northern Ireland was literally being blown apart, and so were parts of Britain. This didn't happen out of the blue and in a vacuum. The UK joined the EEC. VAT started. The Cod War with Iceland was ongoing. There were rail strikes and civil service strikes, ambulance strikes, and miner overtime bans that led to a coal shortage and the three day week. None of this happened in a vacuum either. Petrol rationing was hinted at - the oil crisis was just around the corner. Immigration from Ireland and other former colonies continued. Elsewhere, the Vietnam War (and the Cold War) raged on. And Princess Anne got hitched.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2018 04:05

OliviaD
One would think that if planes stop flying - irrespective of whether one goes on holiday with a plane or not - that this would be a big deal.

I suspect there are many people who have the same opinion on planes stopping as some posters on the 'planes' thread.
This one is a good example:
It isn't just families that go abroad for an all inclusive to Benidorm, travellers fly on business from everywhere in the UK to everywhere in Europe yet Michael O'Leary the twat seems to have an irish crystal ball and says all that will stop. Yeah right...

If you actually read what he says... he is threatening to ground Ryanair flights to force the government and voters to rethink Brexit. A little bit different to what you're saying OP

Here we have two narratives:
1 - It's Micheal O'Leary of Ryanair - the hated Ryanair - who has talked about this. He is Irish, so everything he says is dodgy, and we can look down our noses on him and feel all superior.
2 - He is bullying the government, just as the EU is.
Conclusion - sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting LALALA is a smart and patriotic move.

While it would be a big deal, the cause can easily be ignored and a much more attractive narrative substituted for fact.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2018 04:28

Sostenueto Some saying May was forced into decision to blame Russia

The attempted murder of Skripal couldn't have happened at a better time for the Tories, with crunch time fast approaching on the question of the border. What better target than someone someone else could credibly have wished to wipe out (except for the fact that he was not at all vocal about any political opinions he might have had on Putin, and according to one Russian commentator, he was not a critic of Putin).

Russia is becoming a very handy squirrel in the UK just as in the US.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 07:06

Wish I could borrow some of your positivity Olivia 😩

Wilful ignorance. Yeah. I have an issue with that. Some people are going to get a very nasty shock.

I've no doubt my kids generation will rejoin the EU.

But at what cost?

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/03/2018 07:19

The problem with trying to watch the news whilst being half asleep is that you may hear two news stories merge and think Ken Dodd was found responsible for the Salisbury attacks. Need more Brew

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 07:48

@mrsreynolds

We're not going to kill this thing by being negative on prospects of overturning it.

The obstacles for Brexshit to happen are too great.

Believe.

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 07:52

Average is 52% Remain now.
The 8% 'don't knows' are excluded.
Views are entrenched.
Depends on who votes
Depends on so much.............................

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43336351?SThisFB

Talkstotrees · 12/03/2018 08:01

Hi [waves].

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pm-is-torn-between-duty-and-brexit-reality-rlmbzlc3l

Parliament has a duty to consider the wellbeing of the people - I believe that this, above all else, is the essence of their purpose.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 08:02

dobby 🤣

olivia thank you. Can you keep telling me that at hourly intervals? 😁👍

Have a good day all ❤

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 08:05

@mrsreynolds

Just read the news!

Barack are has just stated the UK's idea of registering people to resolve the Irish border situation is not going to work ...

Another obstacle.

The facts are MASSIVELY in our favour.

mrsreynolds · 12/03/2018 08:07

Olivia...you are kidding yourself if you think most in the UK or the current govt give a SHIT about the NI border or GFA

lalalonglegs · 12/03/2018 08:12

mrsreynolds - they might not care about the NI situation in itself but they will have to figure it out in order to progress in the negotiations.

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 08:18

@lalalonglegs

Correct!

The UK needs Ireland to get a deal from the EU.

And the UK has basically agreed to staying in the SM and CU if it can't find a solution to the Irish border. We all know there is no solution. No amount of drones or blockchain bollocks can address this: there will be checks at the Irish border if NI is out of the SM/CU.

No deal is just not feasible. I hope we all agree this scenario will just not happen unless by some accident.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2018 08:24

Olivia A no-deal Brexit would enable a few wealthy individuals and hedge funds to make huge profits.

Unfortunately, they are pulling some of May's strings

The other string-pullers may not be strong enough to counteract them

Also, the DUP and some hard right Tories like Gove have always hated the GFA and want it to end
Some of them would secretly welcome a hard NI border, but don't admit to this in public

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 08:30

@BigChocFrenzy

Sure. I see that.

I'm not sure I agree re pulling May's strings. I'm thinking she's letting these zealots hang themselves with their own rope.

But I don't think any of this is enough to convince Parliament to let a no deal Brexshit thru. The consequences are worse than a Great Depression according to Danny Blanchflower. It's obvious.

What do you make of the latest challenge to repealing the 2011 European Union Act?

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 08:32

This decision of TFL not to run ads on underground advertising competition in Normandy speaks to substantial freedom of speech issues we have going on at the moment too, being trialled on women of course: www.theposieparker.com/news

Brexit is not even a traditionally capitalist venture.

www.theguardian.com/media/2018/mar/11/normandy-advert-to-seduce-post-brexit-uk-firms-banned?CMP=share_btn_tw

Capitalism has no borders; Totalitarian regimes are defined by them.

Peter North sounds a bit weepy today.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2018 08:44

Olivia You keep talking about Parliament "letting a no deal through"
If there is no deal, there is no vote

All the ERG have to do is delay agreement long enough, maybe force May to walk out until the EU agree to move onto trade talks
which might be never, if both sides stick to their NI positions

Parliament can't force a govt to negotiate
and crashing out is the A50 default unless the govt negotiate a deal

Parliament can vote down a bad deal - but it may then be too late for a new deal
The EU may not be prepared to waste time in negotiating further unless the UK agrees to drop its red lines and base any talks on a EEA/EFTA-type deal.

If talks stall, all Parliament can do is bring the govt down - which requires Tory MPs to turn on their own party

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 08:47

latest challenge
@BestForBritain
We passed our match-funding target in day 1. We're now at just over £37k. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. #DavidDavis #Brexit

That was 8 hours ago it's now on £42 184.

It started on Saturday night.

woman11017 · 12/03/2018 08:52

If talks stall The plan, which is working nicely up till now, is to gerrymander their way to a 'no deal'. Getting to this last 12 months is absolutely nauseating.

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 08:56

@BigChocFrenzy

You raise an interesting point about process.

If there's no deal to vote on is it your view that Parliament would just sit and do nothing? Not repeal A50?

No one would introduce legislation to withdraw A50?

PS there's an argument that if we haven't satisfied A50(1) that the A50 notice of intent to leave lapses. There's a court case ongoing that our current notice is invalid anyway because we have not satisfied A50(1) conditions ...

prettybird · 12/03/2018 09:02

I suppose it is possible that MPs in Parliament, seeing how disastrously negotiations are going nor not going Hmm could band together to force a vote of no confidence and then go on bended knee to the EU to ask for A50 to be rescinded Hmm

And it is possible that aliens will land in the next year and solve the world's problems Wink

SusanWalker · 12/03/2018 09:08

Just found out about this

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/business/gainsborough-fancy-dress-firm-smiffys-103657.amp

Its rather old but they moved their headquarters to Holland specifically because of brexit. Apologies if its been posted before. I wonder how many other companies have done this with only minimal publicity.

OliviaD68 · 12/03/2018 09:10

@prettybird

The choice to revoke A50 is unilateral. UK's option.

Why do you think the EU has to agree?

There's even a view it lapses if Parliament doesn't vote to leave before March 29, 2019.

Here's an extract from a legal opinion. Happy to send the link if you're interested.

Therefore, if Parliament were to refuse to give legal effect to the terms of a withdrawal agreement negotiated with the European Union, or were to refuse to authorise withdrawal in the absence of any agreement, the notification given by the United Kingdom of its intention to leave the European Union could be treated as having lapsed (since the constitutional requirements required to give effect to that intention had not been met), or could be unilaterally withdrawn. Article 50 cannot have the effect of ejecting a Member State from the European Union contrary to its own constitutional requirements.

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