Westministenders: One for the Women

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Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

bigchocfrenzy Dgd loves geography winning prize every year for it and although doing the A level is going on after A levels to do neuroscience hopefully. Though she is pulled towards geoscience too, hence picking the A levels she has. She can go either way really.

Aping populist attacks on migrants is not a winning strategy for the left

Corbyn be warned

The French Communists jumped on that populist bandwagon in the 1980s
Their party has sunk from being an important force in France to being an irrelevance with minisxule support

Their mistake was that pandering to anti-immigrant feeling, whipping it up to get votes, just prepared the ground for the neo-Nazi Front National to move in and absorb them, as well as absorbing rightwing nationalists
This is how the Front National grew big - grabbing both far left and far right voters via nationalism and racism

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/11/populist-attacks-migants-not-a-winning-strategy-for-the-left

Thumbs up to that Mrs Reynolds and the best of luck to your ds for the future.

I tried to read that travel thread and was severely put-off (which presumably was the intention) by the prolific, empty and furious posts of one particular GF culprit.

Sostenueto I’m a geoscientist by degree and an engineer by training, it’s a science heavy degree - lots of chemistry and physics. Geography is less science heavy but a good all round degree. I have a second class degree, but back in the 80s in my subject / uni you had to do something quite spectacular to get a first.

Gosh Agnes I may be coming to you for some info for my Dgd in the near future if that is OK with you?

I did geography
it stood me in VERY good stead
and the field trips were fab

This from another thread:

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.
Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

IMO they are doing that as a precautionary measure. No one knows yet what will happen, can't imagine the EU not wanting the tourist trade,........

Talkin field trips were generally in the Lake District or Scotland and were wet and miserable - although I had my 21st on a field trip to Benidorm. Happy days!

sostenueto just PM me if you have any questions and I’ll see if I can help

And to your dd sos

Thank you Agnes

@Helenreflects
A brief historical note:
Medieval peasants (serfs) were tied to the land and could not move from the land unless they became freemen. This lack of freedom of movement obviously didn't benefit them, but their lords, who could exploit them as they wished /1

The serf system declined in part due to greater migration in the 14th century after the Great Plague. By migrating, serfs could vote with their feet and demand better conditions. Free movement across the land empowers workers, does not stifle their opportunities 2/

If we look at freedom of movement, unless we adhere to a narrow view of workers as only British workers, we can likewise see that freedom of movement benefits workers. 3/

A text @jeremycorbyn is likely familiar with
This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race.
The key terms here are "internationale" and "human race", not "British worker, Mr Corbyn 4/

Ah but people will say, undoubtedly say, "But Corbyn is talking about employers who import migrants (note the dehumanizing language). He's talking about the EU posted workers directive! Clever, but no. Talk about employers undercutting wages or, as he said elsewhere... 5/

"wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry."
www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british … 6/

Note how he speaks about us "wholesale importation", note the dehumanizing way of talking. Would he speak like this about employers, e.g., underpaying women thereby undercutting everyone's wages, or would that sound horribly misogynist? 7/

No, this is classic dogwhistle xenophobia dressed up as concern with what employers do. The posted workers directive is a tiny % of Uk workforce and is already being addressed by EU. A smokescreen.
Note also that freedom of movement is a two-way street, allowing British workers (presently) to vote with their feet if they don't like it. Freedom of movement is the ultimate moving away from a medieval system that keeps people as tied to the land, and affords greater freedom 9/

By wanting to stay in the custom's union, but not the single market, @UKLabour is signing up to a neoliberal world where goods can pass freely but people cannot. That is not empowering workers, but precisely the opposite /ends

Listen, it wasn't a dig at geography (and indeed my own subject wasn't a million miles away), it was a dig at a fucking useless PM who is on the verge of ripping my homeland apart. The fact she got a fucking second class degree is relevant. She was ambitious and hard working and well taught and bloody well funded and stable family life and studying a non-notoriously difficult subject (of which geography is of course not the only example) and despite all that got a second. But it didn't stop her pursuing her ambitions to the very top of political life, and now she leads a government with the greatest hubris and sense of entitlement I'm aware of ever.

She doesn't know what she doesn't know - that's why she's such Mayhem.

Why the focus on flights to the EU on that thread? The aviation agreement 'Open Skies' is negotiated by the EU on behalf of Member States with other world countries. The EU agency that oversees aviation in the EU (flying, maintenance, training etc) is EASA and the UK, on leaving the EU, will cease to be a member. At that point we will have no rights under the world flights covered by 'Open Skies' and no authority to fly to/from the EU.

Thank you Mrs Reynolds

agnes
Ah, we had Switzerland, South of France, Nottingham, Wales, Paris, Dorset

DD is doing Biology
she has already had Scotland and is off to Africa (funded) shortly

Somerville

Bojo is supposed to clever isn't he?
A classicist I believe?
Someone should remind him what happened to Catalina...

Why the focus on flights to the EU on that thread? The aviation agreement 'Open Skies' is negotiated by the EU on behalf of Member States with other world countries.

Wilful ignorance?

Perhaps they don't know about open skies jwim ? ( neither do I). Its, I suppose that people are scared and confused by Brexit maybe and angry they might lose money on flights or have to pay more. The companies just covering all bets so they don't have to lose money if they can't fly by paying back money.

As I said a while back sometimes its not willful ignorance, it may be the lack of ability to research the right things or ask the right questions.

Might hamper our attempts to trade with all those other countries, unless all negotiation is to take place by phone or internet.

Tbh unless you are a politician or interested in politics a lot of things just are not common knowledge. I don't research things I'm not interested in and I expect others dont either. Some people don't have the skills to research things properly either. Not everyone is the same.

It's wilful ignorance when it's been explained on the very thread they're posting on.

Another thing I didn't know ( or think of )jwim.

ERM *elements until I read it on this thread ages back I didn't know about it, I do know now. I just posted quote from another thread.