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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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HesterThrale · 11/03/2018 18:34

That Best for Britain 'We're taking David Davis to court' crowdfunding reached its £25k target in less than a day and now has a stretch target.
There is obviously a hunger for justice and common sense.

www.crowdjustice.com/case/brexitchallenge/

SwedishEdith · 11/03/2018 18:37

Exactly. "Things were better in the past" because you were young.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2018 18:48

...ANPR, CCTV, pre-registering to cross.
^It will blow up the peace process. Absolutely blow it up, instantly.
I am shaking with anger^

Me too, Somerville.
Theresa May is either criminally stupid or just stupid. Or just a criminal.

To paraphrase a quote I read here, you get a CCTV camera on a pole, and that has to be guarded, so a guard post is necessary; not just any old guard post but a whopping great North Korean-style jobbie like this one goo.gl/images/cfNHV3 from the bad old days, because a garden hut is not going to cut it in south Armagh, and you are back where you started.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2018 18:51

...my thoughts this morning on that WhatsApp group: don't you think it must have functioned a little like on-line grooming? Or like all the social media groups that we (as parents) are so often warned to caution our children against?

It would have drawn people in with the promise of belonging and a place of identity in troubled times (I'm sure there are quite a few Conservative MPs who feel a little bewildered and overwhelmed at the moment), given them friends and a feeling of security, offered a feeling of community and 'star figures' that they could look up to, admire and follow for advice, and then radicalised, pushed behaviour further than they'd initially have accepted, given a viewpoint that flattened and removed (difficult) complexity (replacing it with extremism), and pushed waverers further and further along.

TheCat - yes indeed, and clearly some of the members are pretty stupid people (Anne Main for instance) who are ever so pleased to be allowed to play with the big boys.

Somerville · 11/03/2018 19:25

Theresa May is either criminally stupid or just stupid. Or just a criminal.

Well her Oxford degree means most people claim she must have a decent IQ hidden in there somewhere - but she read Geography IIRC and only managed a Second...
But she was at the Home Office so long that she has no excuse not to understand all about NI sectarianism and the terrorist risk within the extremes of both communities. So criminal it must be.
The civil disobedience campaign for the 'border' is being planned already, which will surprise no-one.

OliviaD68 · 11/03/2018 19:31

@Somerville

Theresa knows all this. She knows Brexit is a pile of shit. She's on video before the referendum saying so.

No idea what her game is now though.

thecatfromjapan · 11/03/2018 19:37

Olivia Keeping the Conservative together as an electoral Party, I think.

She's on video pretty much admitting she still thinks Brexit is shit - witness the dodging of an actual answer to: "How would you vote now?" and her quote: "Things will be different" after Brexit.

Which, of course, then begs the question about the moral culpability of a PM who knowingly maintains a course of action that is going to deliver economic harm.

It's all quite extraordinary.

The situation with regard to the GFA alone should be putting the brakes on all this. I find people's lack of cultural memory (in parts of the UK a least) quite shocking.

Really, it is the most extraordinary situation.

Peregrina · 11/03/2018 19:38

Nothing wrong with reading for a Geography degree; it's a broad subject. But I suspect with May that she was conscientious and slogged, but didn't have that extra spark which would have got her a better class of degree.

Somerville · 11/03/2018 19:45

No idea what her game is now though.

Power at all costs, IMO.

Peregrina
Exactly. We all know she's a detail-oriented slogger who puts in long hours. If she was decently bright as well, then she'd have got a first, since she wasnt studying a subject that demands absolute brilliance to achieve highly (maths, etc...).

Peregrina · 11/03/2018 19:46

I think if May had been decently bright, a former tutor would have come forward now, with some memories about how good she was. Instead, we have had stunning silence.

OliviaD68 · 11/03/2018 19:50

@thecatfromjapan

Moral culpability. Too true.

Re GFA some may not recall the IRA bombings in London. I remember seeing the horrific photos in the news.

Might that return? Leavers don't seem to care.

Westministenders: One for the Women
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RedToothBrush · 11/03/2018 19:50

I got a second.

I won't go into all the other shit that I had going on at the time...

I've not applied for other things because my degree is not good enough.

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mrsreynolds · 11/03/2018 19:52

I just about scraped 2 a levels 🤣

Sostenueto · 11/03/2018 19:55

Must tell my dgd that apart from maths, chemistry and biology A levels no one seems to rate studying geography ( even if it is a facilitating subject) so perhaps she had better think again about studying it. Hmm

Sostenueto · 11/03/2018 19:57

3 A levels here. Dgd doing 4!

MimpiDreams · 11/03/2018 20:01

Re GFA some may not recall the IRA bombings in London. I remember seeing the horrific photos in the news.

I was in Manchester a week after the bomb there. What struck me was that the pictures in the press did not convey the utter devastation, not one jot.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2018 20:02

Senior civil servant JJ posting on R North blog today

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86796

“If there is any bullying being done it is coming from our end not the EU.

Without going into details I have seen it in so called negotiation meetings that,
if I was representing the EU,
I would have marched straight out of.

Our sense of entitlement and just being 'Great Britain' is both worrying and astonishing to hear and see in action in negotiations

Our teams are so young and inexperienced that they do not understand or even realise that they are upsetting the negotiation partner

Our problem is that they have been bought up in UK law which is combative/adversarial
so the starting position is we are right you are wrong/guilty

I deal with it daily, I dealt with it yesterday in Dublin, I will deal with it again today and everyday next week”

Sostenueto · 11/03/2018 20:04

Just to say geography is a highly rated subject by unis because of the skills used to study it which helps with other subjects like the sciences....oh wait geography isa science!Shock

mrsreynolds · 11/03/2018 20:04

Ds1 is thinking of geography degree too 😁

mathanxiety · 11/03/2018 20:07

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/no-the-kremlin-is-not-behind-legatum-or-brexit/
Article by Fraser Nelson, editor of Spectator Mag.

I agree with his assessment of Anne Applebaum and the influence she most likely had, and his general contention that Legatum is not in the pocket of Moscow.

I think in light of the funding from 'American Friends of the IEA' it is pretty clear that Brexit is Christmas in July for the likes of Robert Mercer and the Koch Bros. Christopher Chandler is a disaster capitalist who may well have made his own disaster here, aided by his friends across the pond. Who will gain when Brexit kicks in and state services get privatised and monetised, agriculture collapses, and farmers are pushed off the land?

www.desmogblog.com/institute-economic-affairs
Some info on the 'American Friends of the IEA' in this blog, which focuses on climate change and its deniers:
Snippets:
Exxon Mobil donated $50,000,
Patrick Minford is a trustee of the IEA,
Richard D. North is a Media Fellow (as of 2015),
British American Tobacco is also a donor...

Same blogger posted this article:
www.desmogblog.com/2017/07/20/new-lobby-group-tied-brexit-climate-science-deniers-and-koch-industries-pushes-deregulation-europe
"New Lobby Group Tied to Brexit Climate Science Deniers and Koch Industries Pushes for Deregulation in Europe"
As DeSmog UK previously revealed, the IEA has close ties to a UK network of climate science denial organisations that pushed for Brexit. Former IEA chairman, Neil Record, now sits on the board of climate science denial campaign group, the Global Warming Policy Forum.

The think tank was awarded zero stars for transparency by watchdog Transparify as it refuses to disclose its funders.

A spokesperson for the IEA told DeSmog UK that it “has no formal relationship with the CCC.”

“Both organisations work on similar areas and staff have spoken at each other’s events, but there is no official affiliation.”

The CCC has four full time lobbyists and spent up to €199,999 on lobbying between May 2015 and April 2016, according to lobbyfacts.eu.

Its original funding came from US group Students for Liberty (SFL), its managing director told Corporate Europe Observatory.

According to SFL’s annual accounts, the group is funded by Charles Koch, of the Koch Industries — a group famous for funding the spread of climate science denial.

SFL also receives money from the Atlas Network and the Cato Institute, which are also funded by the Koch Brothers, and are at the centre of a US network that pushes for deregulation and helps spread climate science denial.

The CCC is part of a “network of corporate-funded organisations aggressively pushing for deregulation in the EU”, the Corporate Europe Observatory investigation said.

“In practice, CCC’s activities apparently boil down to insisting that consumer choice always equates to less regulation, whenever any regulatory or lobbying-related discussion at EU level provides a hook.”

Corporate Europe Observatory campaigner Margarida Silva told DeSmog UK it expected this agenda to extend to environmental regulation and energy policy.

“Considering that their biggest donor, Students For Liberty, is backed by US hardliners Koch Industries, and CCC themselves say they receive further funding from an undisclosed energy company, it is not unreasonable to expect this partisan funding base to translate into a targeting of energy regulation as well.”

It is also notable that both the IEA and Koch groups are based outside of Europe.

The IEA was instrumental in arguing for Brexit, and could use the CCC to continue to push for weaker regulations before they are translated into UK law as part of the repeal bill.

Likewise, the CCC gives the Koch brothers an avenue to influence European policy, potentially exporting their highly influential lobbying model across the Atlantic. DeSmog UK previously revealed that Koch Industries spent between €200,000 and €299,999 ($223,634–$335,449 or £142,464–£213,695) on its European lobby efforts in a single year.

“It is interesting to note that Brexit and Trump may have conjured a climate conducive to deregulation, which has emboldened groups that are pushing a strong pro-corporate agenda”, Silva said.

“IEA’s activities have focused on the EU for a while now. They have, for example, published the Nanny State Index, and are a founding member of radical free-market think tank EPICENTER. And yet, IEA has still not joined the EU lobby register. The same is the case with Students For Liberty.”

There is a lot of cross linking to other articles within this article, well worth a look...

(Incidentally, another Legatum deserter is Cristina Odone, long a fixture in British journalism. I came across this execrable article by her while looking at the topic of girls and STEM subjects: www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationopinion/11978621/My-daughter-shouldnt-have-tostudy-science-says-Cristina-Odone.html
But salary is only the beginning, as Dr Victoria Bateman, the Cambridge economics historian, explained to me: if Izzy went into a male-dominated subject such as economics, she “would be able to make a real difference. Economics needs women as much as women need economics.”

Fair enough. But what about fulfilment? J K Rowling, say, strikes me as a lot happier and more successful than Alan Turing, the tortured mathematics genius who took his own life.

Sometimes I feel like slapping people.)

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2018 20:07

I was 12 when the Troubles started in 1968, so I grew up with reports most weeks of bombings and shootings.

Unless it was on the mainland, or particularly bloody, or a British soldier being killed, it didn't even make the TV headlines.

That was our normal
The "normal" in NI was far worse, basically a police state trying to control a civil war.

May is within a few months of my age, so she can't have forgotten all that

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2018 20:09

Personally I value my geography a level.

And my media degree...

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mathanxiety · 11/03/2018 20:13

So a big hello to fracking...

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2018 20:14

"Geography" is not included within STEM
but it has elements of both the physical and social sciences; so it is rather a hybrid.
There are decent career prospects

May's failing are not because she has a geography degree, but that she is ignorant, stubborn, prejudiced and cowardly

  • but some MPs with Oxford PPE degrees are also displaying exactly these failings, as is Dr Liam Fox.
mrsreynolds · 11/03/2018 20:20

His other fave subjects are history and biology

I will be urging him towards biology...

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