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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:28

I suppose the proof of the pudding, with regard to apocryphal stories such as that, Talkin, will be whether, post-Brexit, the Cornwall fish-processing plant will be filled with UK-born workers, employed on high wages.

Thanks for the good wishes, people. Flowers

Yes, MrsR and BigChoc, you are spot on. The wait was a result of the over-stretched NHS. My GP eventually told me that, in her opinion, waiting-lists were an imaginary construct and I needed to present at A and E if I wanted treatment.

MrsR It's awful, absolutely awful. I, too, am baffled as to why people have voted for a return to this, having lived through it before.

DG Yes. I keep on thinking about my own memories of the 70s. I think a key difference this time might be that we will be going into this having been through a genuinely poisonous political and ideological process. I do wonder how we move past the nastiness of the REferendum campaign, the idiocy of Teresa May's 'Citizens of Nowhere' speech and newspapers with 'Traitors' on the front cover. Sad

BigChoc I agree with your analysis of the Remain campaign's short-comings. I was thinking earlier (I went to buy ingredients for dinner and sat in the car for a bit) about Cameron's utterly disastrous decision to not attack - or even reign in - Boris Johnson in particular. He was advised time and time again - but no.

Honestly. Cameron. What a wretched person he is.

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 18:29

Painin
JC has been anti EU all his life.
He regards it as a capitalist plot that will stop him forcibly nationalising everything and trying to emulate Venezuela
He is such a muppet.

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 18:30

A friend was thrilled when JC was elected. I wanted to tell her it was a tragedy. But didn't. But it is. And he hadn't even made women illegal then.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 18:33

He regards it as a capitalist plot that will stop him forcibly nationalising everything and trying to emulate Venezuela

Which, ironically (AIUI) it doesn't ... so I suspect it's just a dislike in general ? Maybe it's the socialist version of "bent bananas" ?

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:33

Grin @woman

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 18:34

Brexit must stop immigrants being used to undercut wages
He is a cheeky so and so. Repeal the 1992 Trades Union Act, legalise women and use EU laws to do so and bob's your uncle.

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 18:36

thecat
The story was not apocryphal - I used my friend google to find Cornwall Council papers on it .... am trying to again !
the Cornwall fish-processing plant will be filled with UK-born workers, employed on high wages.
No. It will close and the fish be landed elsewhere.

KennDodd · 09/03/2018 18:36

I met a real brexiteer today. I had to listen to a whole speal about how this country had gone to the dogs and he couldn't wait to bin all the H&S nonsense. He owned a small business and said Brexit was costing him £2,000 a month at the moment but once we Brexit he'll be able to import this particular item from 'Trumps American' instead of the EU and that will save him £4,000 a time. I didn't ask why he couldn't import it from America now.

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:38

Come in and have a cup of tea. I'm back at the venting + angry + grief stage - but other people are trying to have a proper discussion about various things. Smile

JWIM · 09/03/2018 18:39

Just listening to the Now Show on Radio 4 - great Dr Suess poem on the theme of brexit on the back of the Chancellor's 'favourite book ' choice, after CCHQ made him choose again after the first choice of 1984.

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:41

I can't bring myself to be negative about Labour. Well, I can, but only sometimes, for about half a second - and then the fear sets in. I'm just far too scared that the next GE - long way off though it may be - will return the Conservatives again: in all their unable-to-govern-but-still-managing-to-screw-everyone glory.

I'm terrified, frankly.

mrsreynolds · 09/03/2018 18:46

I won't be voting labour

At least not until they oppose brexit and stop all the TRA hate crimes against women

Which looks like it will never happen...

So...ill be spoiling my ballot

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 18:47

KennDodd
Tee hee - and he assumes that Trump's America will sell to him !
DH regularly comes across US companies that will not sell to outside the US
so we have to use subterfuge and friendly cousins of mine Grin

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:49

I'm praying, literally praying, that Labour will sort this out before the GE.

mrsreynolds · 09/03/2018 18:50

I'm in a vicious circle when it comes brexit and leaver "logic";
Utter disbelief
Bafflement
Anger
Rage
Sadness
Anxiety
Nausea
...and repeat...
24/7

lakeshoreliving · 09/03/2018 18:51

I wouldn't vote labour, their position on Brexit is almost as nonsensical as the Torys and if it went through there wouldn't be any money for any of the rest of their plans. I wonder if some in the Tory party would like a Labour victory so they could carry the can for the implementation of Brexit and then spend a long time out of power.

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 18:51

Yes. I do wonder what this is doing to a lot of people mental health.

It hit me that going into absolute denial might be better for me. But I find I'm unable to do that.

lakeshoreliving · 09/03/2018 18:53

I would advise any Brexiteer to place much hope in the USA, I have heard not one mention of any special relationship in the six months I have been here. Nothing about ' America first' suggests a good free trade deal for the UK.

lakeshoreliving · 09/03/2018 18:54

Missing a vital not !

prettybird · 09/03/2018 19:04

Labour demonstrating its attention to detail and how well it knows its own history..... Wink

@davieclegg: This is about as an embarrassing a spelling mistake as you could get at #scotlab18 https://t.co/5ReIZ05AZg

And in answer to Cailleach1 - no, Corbyn won't get as fertile a response in Scotland. Scotland needs more immigration (one of the issues that was raised during the Indyref) Confused

And re the "posted workers" loophole: let me guess, it was the UK which was blocking closing it? Wink (Don't know if it was, but it would be par for the course for the UK to have been the country blocking the solving of "problems" and then blaming the EU for the issue ConfusedAngry)

Westministenders: One for the Women
SwedishEdith · 09/03/2018 19:07

I just looked up the posted worker scheme

www.gov.uk/working-abroad/posted-workers

"Example

If the country you’re posted to has a higher minimum wage, your employer must give you that rate or higher.

Your employer is allowed to offer you better employment terms and conditions than the minimum in the country you’ve been posted to."

So, any EEA workers in the UK being paid less than the NMW is already illegal. It's down to national governments not enforcing this.

prettybird · 09/03/2018 19:15

lakeshoreliving - indeed. A UK-USA FTA will be very much "America First" in other words a rubbish deal for the UK Sad

It will screw the UK going forward, even if the electorate finally sees sense and gets rid of the Tories.

Good bye reversing the privatisation of the NHS and social care, as the US corporations that will have profited from the bonfire of the state welfare will be able to sue the government for policies that impact on their profits HmmAngrySad

No wonder the Government wants to keep the trade talks secret until too late years after the deal has been signed Angry

SwedishEdith · 09/03/2018 19:18

Oh, I know there's a problem with unscrupulous employers - who will remain unscrupulous post-Brexit. But it's still down to national governments not enforcing the law.

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 19:23

It's down to national governments not enforcing this
And unions defending and being defended. He's using FN rhetoric.

Corbyn is now just lying.