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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 17:03

woman2017 and sostenueto Thank you for your good wishes. Smile I finally was seen a few weeks ago, and am starting treatment. Things are looking up. It has brought home the realities of it all. But, yes, forwards we go.

Brexit a distraction? Well, given that I'm not living in a gold-plated mansion, with shoes made of diamonds, I'll pass on seeing it as a distraction. Tragically, from where I'm placed, it's going to have a huge impact on my life, the lives of those I love, and a country I saw as my home.

No, it's not a distraction.

And I totally don't buy the 'They're all evil' line about politicians, either. That's the kind of cynical-sounding bullshit that is actually a covert invitation - to people who are naturally lazy - to check their brains into the keeping of those who are very unpleasant and not try and distinguish between a. politicians who are not corrupt, venal, incompetent and those who are and b. what their long-term political aims should be.

If someone is telling me: "Go on, Love, stop thinking so much. They're all the same. There's no point in you worrying your little head about politics - they're all the same," I start thinking: "What's in it for you if I stop thinking about politics?"

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 17:05

DGRosetti
Indeed but if William does use his second name he'll be the new King of the Britons Grin

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 17:07

I've met Prince Charles, nearly run over the Duke of Edinburgh at Sandringham when he was hammering around the grounds on a quadbike one morning as I was entering for a band gig and I was coming over a cattlebridge on a bend and he was coming full pelt! He swerved in time and off he went! I sat there thinking omg I could have killed him! He was in his 80s and he broke his arm next day pelting round a carriage course when the carriage flipped.
Prince Charles is a bit....... When I saw him with Camilla at a new lifeboat launch we were playing at I've got to say they looked well suited.

thecatfromjapan · 09/03/2018 17:10

You know, I really don't wish economic and social ill for the ridiculous people who have voted to cut their own throats (and mine, and my family's). The anger comes and goes. I don't see how it can't, really. But I wouldn't be the person I am if I didn't wish it could all be avoided.

And, realistically, there's no way of distinguishing where the harm falls, anyway

I really do wonder how this is all going to pan out as the impact kicks in, though. Realistically, the Remain voting areas are, by and large, going to end up subsidising the Leave voting areas as everything gets squeezed and suffocated as a result of the decision those areas made. I was thinking about this and one thought was that it was hugely necessary to let the anger go - it's too dangerous not to. But the other thing that hit me was that we may well see graft, and non-payment of taxes, on a scale we really haven't seen in the UK.

What do you guys think?

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 17:10

King of the Britons

Who are the Brwitons ?

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 17:15

thecatfromjapan

What do you guys think?

Well, watching the R&R years - 1973 we had coal strikes, 3 day week, petrol rationing, bread and sugar shortages, teachers striking, farmers striking, and the USSR buying 200,000 tonnes of butter at 8p/lb (sorry for mixed units, it's how they reported it).

On top of that 89 IRA bombs, and 69 plane hi jacks.

Portugal and Greece were under military regimes, and the Spanish Premier was assassinated.

That misty-eyed nostalgia suddenly doesn't look quite so good now does it ?

On the plus side, we had Blue Passports and hosted Eurovision in 1974 (except Sweden won Smile)

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 17:22

The little Northchurch result might be an acorn which could affect Minister of Justice (Grin) David Gauke.

Westministenders: One for the Women
Motheroffourdragons · 09/03/2018 17:31

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DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 17:33

Currently this household is on course for Lib Dems as local councillors. The local Labour candidates know why (and have engaged).

Although I have voted for the incumbent Tories since living here, they managed to piss me off over a peculiarly local issue, not Brexit.

DGRossetti · 09/03/2018 17:35

Nothing would say F Off to Scotland louder than changing the current rubbish one to that.

"rebellious Scots to quell" ... I see your point Confused

Motheroffourdragons · 09/03/2018 17:36

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 17:42

I hope that (much delayed) treatment does the business, cat Thanks
Disgraceful you had to wait for so many months - because nhs overstretched iirc

mrsreynolds · 09/03/2018 17:55

My nephew has just had his allergy test appt (poss nut allergy so potentially quite serious) - he waited over 12 months to be seen

In the early 90s I waited 18 months for "emergency" dental surgery (I had 5 impacted teeth removed under GA)
Constant infections (gums were split) and constant pain.
For 18 months
They had to dislicate my jaw

The thought of my kids (or anyone!) having to go through that....😡😔

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 17:56

imo, 3 of the mistakes by the Remain campaign - i.e. Cameron - that swung it from the expected small Remain win to a narrow Leave

stem from having the Remain campaign basically run by the Tories:

  1. In a country not used to referenda, many people vote on the govt, not the issue
    Many people badly hit by austerity voted to give a good kicking to the the PM & the govt responsible for the austerity

  2. The Leave lies were never tackled, because Cameron ordered there should be no "Blue on Blue" incidents
    This meant Remain unilaterally disarmed, because Leave were allowed to lie about the EU and foreigners

  3. Key Labour figures, especially Corbyn, didn't want to appear on a platform with Tories,
    both because the Referendum was called to stop a Tory civil war and because they learned from Scotland how Labour could get the blame when allied with the Tories in a Ref.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/03/2018 17:56

I don’t have any energy to do anything other than wearily place this here:

STV News
@STVNews
WATCH: #Brexit must stop immigrants being used to undercut wages, @jeremycorbyn tells Scottish Labour conference #ScotLab18

More: (link: bit.ly/2FwdnBP)

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 17:59

Corbyn needs to be very careful not to fan the flames of anti-immigrant feeling

prettybird · 09/03/2018 18:02

He's already done that SadAngry

Cailleach1 · 09/03/2018 18:03

DG Choosing Kings is so Anglo-Saxon. We have to go with the Norman divine right by birth etc

They got well over that when William and Mary bypassed the male heir. And I seem to recall that they passed over something like 72 people with a more 'divine' right after Anne to import the Protestant Hanovers.

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 18:05

TIP I remember an interview with a retired Uk ambassador to the US who related how he cringed every time Uk politicians waited for this phrase in any speeches to the UK.

He described one occasion when he was sitting in on discussions about a speech Obama was to make on his UK visit:
the US aides said patronisingly / amused something like "oh of course we'll have to mention the Special Relationship",

how relieved the Uk side were, hearing this reassurance
but how humiliating he personally found this poodle fawning for a biscuit.

BestIsWest · 09/03/2018 18:06

Just marking place. RTB you deserve a 🥇 medal

Cailleach1 · 09/03/2018 18:09

Maybe it is more something like by passing 52. But it was the era of large families.

Cailleach1 · 09/03/2018 18:11

Would Corbyn get as fertile a response to that in Scotland as in England?

TalkinPeace · 09/03/2018 18:12

Painin
I agree that JC is an arse
BUT
there is a real problem with immigrants and wages in some sectors
its called the posted workers scheme
I read up on it after being massively hauled up by a poster who said that a fish processing factory in Cornwall recruits exclusively from Romania on short term contracts and pays Romanian wages in the UK - like around £4 an hour - to workers who are house in caravans.

How can that not suppress local wages ?

HOWEVER
Macron, Merkel and the rest are working on fixes to the posted worker directive which will close that loophole

interestingly UK companies use it to pay English Chalet staff in French and Swiss and German ski resorts without complying with their local employment laws

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/03/2018 18:22

Interesting talkin, I didn’t know that. Still, to focus on that and not all the other shit that Brexit will cause seems disingenuous, as well as pointing out fixing the problem is an option rather than just pulling out. It’s not going to be for the many. It’ll be for the very few Sad