Westminstenders: Break Up or Make Up?

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The next week or so appears to be yet another crunch point (not that any of these crunch points have actually resolved anything so far).

The EU is set to outline the plan for Ireland. Which everyone thought had already been outlined and agreed already. And it had been admitted was legally binding.

Except apparently we don't want to do that, and we are now crying about how the EU want to break up Britain (nothing to do with England wanting to leave the EU and Scotland and NI wanting to stay in it of course).

Jeremy Corbyn has now apparently decided that the customs union is a good idea. David Davis and Liam Fox have responded by saying that this would stop us making our own trade deals. Yes this has obviously stopped Turkey, and why aren't we doing as much trade with China etc as Germany anyway? A vote in the HoC looms before Easter. Will Tory rebels support.

Will Jeremy Corbyn bow to pressure over the single market too? The customs union alone does not stop the border issue in Ireland. Nor does it stop ridiculous queues at Dover. I'm not sure Corbyn is one for listening though. He's got a whiff of power and democracy and reality is just a hindrance to utopia.

As for the Great Repeal Bill. Word has it, its not going too clever in the HoL. The conservatives had something of a show of strength with an unusual number turning up for the debate. But few on the backbenches were willing to speak in favour of...

It all feels like we are making no progress at all. We are still bleating on about cherry picked deals as if this is a negotiation. Its not.

agnes It's all about selling any deal to Leavers - mostly Tory voters - as a true British Brexit

The govt want to bake the Brexit cake all themselves,
instead of buying it in that nice artisan EU bakery with service by clever Mr Barnier
The UK could have just added their own pretty candle on top, to customise the cake

Trouble is:
. the govt haven't bothered to buy any ingredients
. the oven has been wonky for decades
. and none of them ever learned to cook more than burned toast

I saw the guardia’s take woman and was incredibly demoralised. Wtf is happening to our country?

bigchoc the parallels between the GOP banging on about Obamacare and how terrible it was and campaigning on it with their promises to significantly improve people’s lives and then coming into power without the merest hint of a plan are convincing.

Although at least they only had 8 years compared to the decades that some ardent brexiteers have. Both factions want to rule rather than govern, and so are ill prepared to actually form let alone enact coherent plans.

Agnes , I imagine there will be participation in EASA. But for a third country, flying from A to B. One of those points will always have to be a UK destination. For anything UK based. Only salt and vinegar.

Michel Barnier's staircase. UK ruling out everything. It will have to be lesser. Why the heck should the 3rd country UK have something more beneficial than what EEA/EFTA have?

The UK have stated they can diverge. They are starting from a place of optional divergence. Yet they want MRAs with the EU like no other MRA in the world. One that automatically mutually recognises British regulations and standards. With no oversight that they conform to EU specifications or teeth for enforcement. So something approved by the UK regulator is recognised by the EU. Also something that conforms to the specifications of UK standards is recognised by the EU as conforming to EU standards. There is a subtle difference to what they want, but it is airy fairy. And the biggest load of entitled bs in the world.

Where are all the job ads for the customs officers. Planning must be inundated near Dover for all the lorry parks, etc. No?

All the extra people to take over so much of the work the EU regulators do now on behalf of the UK as a member state.

You'd be in the aisles laughing if it wasn't the governance of an entire country.

According to Lamy on the select committee, it also raises issues about British hauliers.

It is a technical nightmare. And what is ironic, is that on a technical level the UK were so influential in the EU. There are many working expert groups/committees made up of representatives from the member states. The UK are very strong, influential and respected at this level and the Brits will be a loss. Decisions are made by and on the recommendation of these groups.

Success of the propagandists has been to make people believe the UK don't have a say and everything goes against them. I'm really sick of the lies and misrepresentation.

Planning must be inundated near Dover for all the lorry parks, etc. No?

Umm, no, that got put on hold. Something like some chump forgot to apply for planning permission.

So the French and Belgians decide that our regulations are not equivalent, and stop every lorry...... Welcome to permanent operation stack people of Kent, well, you did vote Leave, so I assume you thought about this?

Where are all the job ads for the customs officers.

Indeed, if there were, it could be seen as a bonus of Brexit - decent quality work brought to areas of high or highish unemployment would be worthwhile.

Ups are advertising 1400 new jobs near me....

By Andrew Gallagher. Some interesting insights.

sluggerotoole.com/2018/03/02/the-vast-terrifying-vista-of-boundless-possibility/

Also, Arlene and her crew may have been less than honest.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/leaked-emails-reignite-dispute-over-talks-collapse-36664835.html

Meant to post this one....

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/leaked-emails-provide-incontrovertible-proof-of-draft-talks-deal-36664502.html

Jonathan Freedland nailed it:

May is “caught between the devil and the DUP”

The govt, as well as being totally disunited and incompetent,
needs some important realty checks:

• The UK is used to dealing with the EU with the privileges of being one of the most powerful members, but now is a soon-to-be 3rd country

This massively reduces UK power & influence in the negotiations, compared to all dealings over the last 45 years

• Any trade deal, or withdrawal deal that involves new / changed treaties, can be vetoed by the European Parliament, or by any govt within the 27 countries Or can be rejected by any of their 38 Parliaments or Regional Assemblies.

So it is pointless aiming for a complicated, difficult deal when there are several countries likely to veto because they:

are more powerful than the UK and can‘t be bullied (e.g. Germany)
or have red lones that cross the u

reality

Where is that Mrs Reynolds? And for what positions. I'm interested to see what is happening. All I could find was this.

upscareers.jobs/gbr/jobs/

DD & May are betting the prosperity of the whole country on a "2 minutes before midnight" deal
Their whole strategy depends on a last minute cave-in on all the red lines by the EU

but that is for negotiations between EU members, not between the EU and a 3rd country which is under far harder time pressure

Ups - East Midlands airport
Also a massive aldi distribution centre being built down the road too

It will all be the EU's fault for bullying us, according to the official record.
Interesting to see the Brexit Arms people are in a bit of a pickle at the moment - they have dialled down on the We're Leaving rhetoric, and I haven't heard as much lately about That's democracy, what don't you understand.

Are a lot of workers leaving UPS and they can't fill them?

Gov't will need to have people, plans and infrastructure in place to allow the easy and timely passage of UPS drivers. Along with all other businesses.

The Aldi place was greenlit in summer 2015 after the Tory GE victory
DC gave a speech about it t the time I think?
I'm amazed they've carried on with it really....

Ups is a new build place

Good news if it happens. They already employ up to 345 jobs at this airport base. The company's 'design and access statement' to planning said could have up to 1,000 jobs in two years and up to 1,400 in eight years. East Midlands airport is their base in Britain and they are extending this.

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/business/ups-gets-green-light-114m-1277726

Of course, UK had better have acceptable plans wrt EASA etc. And it is the gov't planning which is behind.

It just doesn't get any better, does it?

Do they need a really big holding area 'cos they think they will be sitting on stuff which isn't moving in or out in a timely fashion? Storage facility.

Sorry, I'm being really cynical at the moment. I think it is because I watched QT and had to listen to the mindless, chauvinistic, nihilistic bolleaux. And NF with his propaganda. And I watched the programme on DP with Tim Wetherspoons and IDS in studio the same time.

Something like some chump forgot to apply for planning permission.

So ?

Henry VIII powers mean that a minister just snaps their fingers, and thy will be done. No need for courts.

You can kiss good bye to fair market compensation for appropriated land too. (Well, if you're not JRM. I bet he'd get a nice wedge).