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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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SwedishEdith · 08/02/2018 22:18

The trouble is they do believe JRM. I've seen loads of brexiteers saying just tell the EU to sod off we'll buy Japanese cars and calling for tariffs on goods coming in to punish the EU. Some of them really aren't that bright and believe everything they're spoonfed.

Where? Online or in real life?

lonelyplanetmum · 08/02/2018 22:28

Just a depressing bedtime story...

The Conservatives are four points ahead of Labour in the latest poll of voting intentions for t
he Times despite open divisions across the party.

The YouGov poll shows the Tories on 43 per cent, up 1 point compared with last week, Labour on 39 per cent, down 3 points, and the Lib Dems on 8 per cent, up 2 points.

How, how. how can this be?

www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F3b3a89e4-0c58-11e8-a06a-fefa58ca1fb9.png?crop=3000%2C2000%2C0%2C0&resize=685

lonelyplanetmum · 08/02/2018 22:31

Sorry if this was already discussed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-lead-brings-relief-for-tory-party-after-infighting-ss929xtmw

SwedishEdith · 08/02/2018 22:34

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Faisal Islam
‏*@faisalislam*

Japanese ambassador in Downing Street unusually candid after PM meet with Nissan, Toyota, Honda etc:
“If there’s no profitability of continuing operations in UK no private company can continue operations...simple as that... this is all high stakes all of us need to keep in mind.”

SusanWalker · 08/02/2018 22:45

Online so I guess there is a possibility they are bots but if so there are an awful lot of them. If you want to check out yahoo comments you'll see them there.

SusanWalker · 08/02/2018 22:46

Sums it up

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
BigChocFrenzy · 08/02/2018 23:34

Faisal Islam@faisalislam
"dependence of Britain on exports to Europe meant no realistic prospect of Britain leaving the EEC" - how Mrs T persuaded Nissan, 1982

SwedishEdith · 08/02/2018 23:50

They'll be bots. Mostly. Astroturfing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/what-is-astroturfing

SwedishEdith · 08/02/2018 23:53

Astroturfing happens on both sides, of course.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 06:41

I don't think Yougov polls can be influenced by astroturfing can they? But then, I suppose any on -line activity can?

I like sharing my random over night thoughts, this time triggered by a programme DH and I watched last night. It's about giving the people the right to vote and the role of the much maligned liberal elite.

Presumably it was snowflake men who were responsible for getting women the right to vote??

Women were not the only ones the liberal elite defended.

In my Grandparents generation working class men did not have the vote either. Before the Reform Acts of 1867 and 1884 (then more reforms after WW1) 6 out of 7 men were not allowed to vote. Astonishing.

The progressive extension of the electorate was initially to "respectable working men", those who personally paid rates (property tax) in Britain's towns and cities and then rural areas too. In effect the size of the electorate increased at this time,initially to 30% then to over 60% of all adult men.

Those interfering, misguided liberals, have been around for a while. There is irony in there somewhere.

HesterThrale · 09/02/2018 06:55

It seems surprising that support for Labour isn't growing... but maybe support for Remain IS growing, and Labour aren't seen as a party where you can safely invest your Remain beliefs. This Britain Elects poll shows 'biggest lead for 'Wrong' [to leave].'
Remainers don't know where to go.

mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/959408565709615109

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 07:00

Yes Remain voters don't know where to go, but the Tory vote appears to be on a sharp incline on the graph despite everything. It's insane.

HesterThrale · 09/02/2018 07:06

Yes lonely, it is insane. And shocking and depressing. I can only think that the full incompetence of the government, of which we on these pages are aware, isn't widely known...

lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 07:17

It's beyond depressing, day after day of interminable deceit, incompetence and bluster, then that graph.

I can't find the words it's excruciating, harrowing, hellish, tormenting,insufferable, unbearable, unendurable. It's Voldemortish.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 07:22

I just thought of a fragment of hope.

Perhaps that graph is explained by remain voting Tories returning to the fold as they can see something that I can't??

I don't think so really, but it's a dust speck of hope.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/02/2018 07:22

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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 09/02/2018 07:24

Sorry to go back to an old rant I'm full of flu and can't really concentrate but I dontmind being called liberal metropolitan elite. I came from a small country town so it's nice to think I'm so expert in being liberal and metropolitan they'd consider me elite level Grin

lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 07:28

Well as I postulated up thread, the liberal metropolitan elite secured votes for women. In addition they increased votes to the previously disenfranchised 6 out of 7 men too!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/02/2018 07:48

Financial Times
@FT
Britain to world: please pretend we are not leaving EU

t.co/Eo2jNDHYk6?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/02/2018 07:50

Apols if this has already been posted on here:

EXCL Labour MPs demand party members get say on Brexit in challenge to Jeremy Corbyn

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/92708/excl-labour-mps-demand-party-members-get-say

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/02/2018 07:53

Revealed: These 70 Tory MPs Support The Hard Brexit Group Led By Jacob Rees-Mogg

The European Research Group has dominated the Tory debate on Brexit, but its true size and membership has been a mystery. A BuzzFeed News analysis has identified scores of MPs who back the cause.

www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/revealed-these-70-tory-mps-support-the-hard-brexit-group?utm_term=.vn6XP7pZy#.sk0bd8zWm

lonelyplanetmum · 09/02/2018 07:54

70 ? I thought it was 35?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/02/2018 07:59

But now a new analysis by BuzzFeed News, based partly on unprecedented access to ERG sources, has identified about 70 MPs who are part of the informal network of committed Brexiteers — twice as many as Soubry claims, and at the upper end of newspaper estimates. We believe this figure to be conservative.

The analysis illustrates why the ERG has exerted such influence over the Brexit process — and why it is so feared by 10 Downing Street. The size of its parliamentary base, as calculated here, is more than five times May’s working majority in the House of Commons. The group has easily enough members to trigger a leadership contest if it turns against the prime minister, and enough to have a major influence on the outcome of that contest when it happens.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/02/2018 08:00

NI will stay in single market after Brexit, EU says

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/09/northern-ireland-will-stay-in-single-market-after-brexit-eu-says

UK negotiators braced for major row over EU’s draft withdrawal agreement

John McGrane, the director general of the British Irish Chamber of Commerce, said there was still a delusional sense within some government departments in the UK that it would be “sorted out”.

He claimed there was “an underlying sense of entitlement” that Britain could carry on as it was because it was so important.
< the most common Brexit delusion, reeks of entitlement & superiority >

“Britain has got zero out of the negotiations so far
Does it keep getting zero or does is salvage something?

Last week I was at a gathering organised by one of the UK government departments, no disrespect, but it was essentially designed to reinforce the notion that it would be alright,
and it was really important that people stood up and said no it might not.”

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