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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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Cailleach1 · 06/02/2018 10:57

This is a bit of a take on the 'Irexit' not a thing meeting.

British fascists coming to Ireland and suggesting we #irexit & rejoin the Union is like an abusive spouse turning up at a woman's shelter with a box of milk tray & petrol station flowers, pleading with us that they've changed".

Ouch. But no pretence of this course being well intentioned. Or the travelling carpet bagging proponents of it.

twitter.com/hashtag/irexit?lang=en

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/02/2018 12:18

Heather Stewart
‏*@GuardianHeather*
Ouch: Justine Greening asked on #bbcdp if she could be member of a party led by JRM. "[Long pause...] That might be a bit of a stretch".

SusanWalker · 06/02/2018 15:04

Apparently someone told farage to go back to where he came from. That's karma for you.

woman11017 · 06/02/2018 17:32

Why TM announced what she did today:

Brexit 2018: Insights Analysis – Jan Edition

Posted by by Pushpendra Tiwari & Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan on February 5, 2018

cronycle.com/insights/brexit-2018-jan-edition/

@faisalislam
this from a couple of weeks ago, was not Soubry: some others now saying similar things...Faisal Islam added,

In that vein, a Tory Single Marketer MP tells me re Tory Brexiters flexing their muscles: “If they are threatening a leadership challenge, then this new leader will find himself in charge of a much smaller party, and will effectively crash the Government”. (“Him” was on purpose).

I put to a senior Tory MP that there were 5 Tory MPs who had floated on or off record, leaving if Rees Mogg became leader. Reply: “5 who have crystallised their thoughts, about 50 who would contemplate leaving party, given they’d lose their seats at next election anyway”...

Now they would say that - as this is a battle for leverage over the decisions on the Brexit end state. It’s also convenient for the two wings to attack each other rather than No 10, but net net, the dissatisfaction of pro Efta/ CU Tory MPs is much understated

SusanWalker · 06/02/2018 17:40

inews.co.uk/news/media/katie-hopkins-passport-confiscated-south-africa-spreading-racial-hatred/amp/

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 18:15

Katie Hopkins has given up any pretence of respectability.
She now openly supports white supremacists, apartheid fans, fascists - the scum of politics
No surprise that scum calls to scum.

The fact that she can make a career out of this behaviour shows something has been seriously wrong in Anglosphere politics for some years: UK, US, Australia

RedToothBrush · 06/02/2018 19:04

Hatey's medical history and her behaviour I'm sure are not unrelated.

This trip to SA hasn't gone well. She'd already collapsed after taking ketamine for pain relief (its a banned substance in SA).

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 19:05

Anna Soubry:

“We have to get a Conservative party which is what it has been for decades, the party I joined 40 years ago – proper, One Nation, centrist, small ‘l’ socially liberal, fiscally sensible, economically sound Conservatives.”

That's exactly the Tory Party I remember from my younger days - and that I've been seriously missing for several years now.
More to the point, it's that former Tory party that the country badly needs, instead of this shower of incompetents and wanna-be Moselys

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 19:16

I remember Soubry a few years ago supporting assisted suicide for the terminally ill
So it seems she has a lot of views with which I agree and is brave enough to actually state them

SusanWalker · 06/02/2018 19:18

I've never been a tory voter but they have prided themselves on being the party of the economy and business. Now whether you agree with that or not I think the current party has lost the plot in that regard. Brexit has caused so much uncertainty for business it's hard to see how they're going to retain that reputation.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 06/02/2018 19:19

I saw Anna Soubry interviewed just before Christmas. She was asked why she didn't just leave the party. Her response was that she didnt really like the look of the alternatives (ie she's definitely conservative but too conservative to consider a shift to lib Dems) and that she stayed in the hope sanity would one day return. Not 100% sure that's working out for her.

Having said that I'm not sure the lib Dems crossed her mind. Whilst I quite like her outspokenness, she is very much polarised and plays a lot to if you're not right you're left ideology.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 19:19

Manfred Weber, leader of the EPP (centre right parties) in the European Parliament today:
"I hear a lot of things which London don’t want, but for the moment I have no idea what they want.
No idea, no clarification about their orientation, about what they want to achieve.
I’m appealing to London: We cannot achieve anything with such a state of mind."

Even European Conservatives have lost patience with this Tory govt

BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 19:27

EU draft transition legal text

That should fire up any Ultra with sufficient brain cells to understand what it means for the UK

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-eu-toughens-transition-demands-in-draft-legal-text/

As expected, the draft transition agreement, seen by POLITICO, would require the U.K. to abide by all EU laws and obligations, even as it loses any voting rights or decision-making power in Brussels.

And the EU would be required to consult London - but not necessarily act on the U.K.’s input - only in regards to setting new fishing quotas.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/02/2018 23:19

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/02/2018 23:52

Complete text of EU transition proposals

Position paper "Transitional Arrangements in the Withdrawal Agreement"
TF50 (2018) 30 – Commission to EU 27

will be published today (Wednesday)
Any deliberate squirrels put there helpfully / deviously, for May to shoot ?

http://prod-upp-image-read.ft.com/d927ff12-0b57-11e8-8eb7-42f857ea9f09

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 00:27

Re the faisal islam thread above.

There was one more tweet in that thread:

Faisal Islam @ faisalislam
^Two things to watch for in next 24 hours:
How many Conservative MPs will turn up at the Brexiter ERG meeting tonight?
How many Conservative MPs will turn up at the Stephen Hammond Efta debate tomorrow morning?^

There is an answer to the former now

Faisal Islam @ faisalislam
We* counted 33 Tory MPs at the European Research Group Brexiter meeting convened by Rees-Mogg tonight “just a regular catch up of friends” he said including: IDS, Patel, Fabricant, Bridgen, Badenoch ...
Ie intrepid newshound @zachjourno*

Also, when is a customs union not a customs union?

Faisal islam @ faisalislam
^Government minister defended Customs Bill saying:
“Whether we have a form of customs union with the remaining 27 members is subject to negotiation” - 9 days before Number 10 ruled out idea that it wants “a customs union”...^

Spotted by @AllieRenison

Allie Renison @ allierenison
25th Jan - Treasury Minister during debate on current customs bill: "In terms of where the final deal w/the EU lands, whether we have a form of customs union w/the remaining 27 members is subject to negotiation". So little over a week ago, this was open to neg & now its not?

Faisal Islam @ faisalislam
... so I cannot see how the policy that was announced by Number 10 on Sunday is the same as the policy announced to the Commons Bill Committee 9 days previously. Unless “a form of customs union” is neither technically “a customs union” nor “the customs union”.

Re this idea, this from a couple if days ago

Nick Robinson @ bbcnickrobinson
Downing Street "announces" UK won't be in The, A or ANY customs union after Brexit

Hillary Benn @
So how does the Government plan to maintain an open border in Northern Ireland?

Nick Robinson @ bbcnickrobinson
That's a good question Hilary!

David Allen Green @ davidallengreen
This can only mean that Downing Street does not expect Northern Ireland to be still part of the UK after Brexit.

Else seems impossible.

And this tomorrow

Faisal islam @ faislamislam
NEW: understand that tomorrow afternoon’s Brexit Cabinet subcommittee will discuss immigration and... Northern Ireland as the 10 Cabinet ministers search for UK position on end state.

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 06:23

One for Mr Banks and his history knowledge
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cheddar-man-first-modern-briton-had-dark-to-black-skin-new-dna-research-reveals-a3759946.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Cheddar man: First modern Briton had 'dark to black' skin, new DNA analysis reveals

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 06:48

Did you know that Theresa May's press secretary is James Slack?

This James Slack
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Slack

Yes the guy that did this. And was clearly rewarded for it by the PM.

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 07:40

Nicholas Soames @ NSoames
Really sorry to have to ask but how are we going to secure our national interest post Brexit if we export as much to Ireland as we do to Australia,India ,S Korea and Japan put together
#Onlyaskingbutdoesntseemtomakemuchsense

Remind again, who voted to trigger 50 without having a fucking clue what that meant?

I despair.

If its not David TC Davis videoing himself being intimidated (and other footage shows quite the opposite) we have this

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rees-mogg-s-defender-wore-nazi-uniform-dfmmqplr7
Rees-Mogg’s defender wore Nazi uniform

Meanwhile Labour tell us men are women and stfu.

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lalalonglegs · 07/02/2018 07:41

Fuckinell Shock (to all three of Red's posts but particularly the last one).

BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 08:00

Is Barnier checking DD hasn't nicked his wallet Hmm
or is that heartburn - having to eat and listen to DD & May chanting "Let us be clear, Brexit is Brexit" ?

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 08:03

Saw these two articles on my Twitter feed back to back:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gig-economy-workers-rights-theresa-may-holiday-sick-pay-contracts-a8197906.html?amp&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Gig economy: Theresa May promises to improve conditions for millions of workers
Business group says it could represent ‘the biggest shake-up of employment law in generations’

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gloria-copeland-trump-adviser-flu-shot-jesus-god-christian-evangelical-healing-miracle-a8197801.html?amp&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Trump adviser urges followers to 'inoculate yourself with the word of God' against flu
'Jesus himself gave us the flu shot,' says co-founder of megachurch

I'm afraid I believe in them both equally.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 08:14

Is this govt the worst ever at negotiating for Britain ? Bluster & threaten, then roll over & crawl ? Confused

Can May even get this kind or transition deal through Parliament - the EU draft proposals contains these statements:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/internationalagreementssandtradeepolicy.pdf

"For the purposes of the treaties, during the transition period, the parliament of the United Kingdom shall not be considered to be a national parliament"

"during the transition period, the Bank of England shall not be considered to be a national central bank".

I shudder to think what kind of deal Fox is negotiating with the USA - no wonder there will be strict secrecy for 4 years SFTER the US negotiations have completed

DGRossetti · 07/02/2018 09:07

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/07/lack_of_technical_skills_around_brexit_could_create_a_damaging_and_unmanageable_muddle_pac_report/

Whitehall has not done enough to prepare for the "byzantinely complicated task" of Brexit, including putting the right technical skills and resources in place, a report by Parliament's Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has warned.

(contd)

RedToothBrush · 07/02/2018 09:14

Bbc radio 4 today @ bbcr4today
"It would be utterly perverse for the EU to impose tariffs on trade between the UK and the European Union and I don't think they would be so destructive to do that," says Bernard Jenkin #r4today

David Allen Green @ davidallengreen
What do Brexiteers think "WTO rules" actually mean?

Oh the fun we have to look forward to, one way or another.

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