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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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SwedishEdith · 01/02/2018 23:16

Britain Elects‏
@britainelects

Liberal Democrat GAIN Pallion (Sunderland) from Labour.

11:13 PM - 1 Feb 2018

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2018 23:25

Would being in the Customs Union be sufficient to preserve the GFA? My impression is not, because it was dependent on a role for the ECJ

No. Not sufficient.

Atm, it s leaning as Tories pro customs union and labour pro single market.

The customs union would solve a lot of practical issues for brexit. But not all.

I guess the reason they are leaning away from single market is cos of FoM.

But FoM is the issue over skills. And the NHS problem....

I can see us eventually going for both customs union and single market...

Liam Fox will be out of a job...

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RedToothBrush · 01/02/2018 23:26

Lds winning again in Sunderland.

Sunderland makes me get nervous.

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woman11017 · 01/02/2018 23:29

Huge gain from labour for lib dems.

@britainelects
LDEM: 53.9% (+49.5)
LAB: 34.8% (-15.9)
CON: 5.4% (-7.2)
UKIP: 4.2% (-24.7)
GRN: 1.7% (-1.8)

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2018 23:35

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
More and more MPs talking in private about the need for the kind of cross party allegiances which Theresa May appears to be allergic to.

Here’s one whose gone public

Nick Boles MP@ nickboles
There are two ways of looking at a hung parliament. Either as a reason why you can't get anything done. Or as a reason to do things with cross-party support. Like this:
amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-plans-landowners-sell-state-fraction-value?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value
Exclusive: party proposes raid on private land to cut cost of building new council houses

Imagine! Politicians from both sides of the house working for country first, party second!

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Peregrina · 01/02/2018 23:37

I can see us eventually going for both customs union and single market...

Which quite honestly would be regarded as a decent enough compromise for both Leavers and Remainers. Not as good as staying in, but avoiding the worst catastrophes. Since Leavers constantly tell us that they are not racist/xenophobes, they shouldn't have a problem with FoM either.

What an astonishing result in Sunderland! Are they waking up to the fact that if Brexit doesn't go well, Nissan could pull out?

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2018 23:44

Tom brake @thomasbrake
Worrying that Civil Servants of @DExEUgov are the most overworked in government. They are quitting 4X faster than the average rate.This is the biggest challenge faced by the UK in modern times, yet due to mismanagement, DExEU is shedding staff like there is no tomorrow.

Now I knew they had a problem with staff retention but that sounds like the problem is getting even worse!

What is David Davis doing to staff?!

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BigChocFrenzy · 02/02/2018 00:06

imo, people are quitting DexEU because

  • they are being asked to do the impossible
  • they know that Brexit with the govt red lines will harm the country
  • when they give ministers the facts, they are accused of lying and disloyalty - that's bullying in the workplace

Working in DexEU is VERY stressful and maybe also damaging to their careers

OlennasWimple · 02/02/2018 02:32

Yy, BigChoc, that's basically what my bits of the grape vine are telling me

Plus there are quite a few who were promoted a bit too fast (because the dept was set up in a hurry and needed lots of people fast and not many people applied for posts there, so promotions were there for the taking). So they are struggling more than they would do in a normal department

I'd also throw in a lack of strategic direction (what exactly are they supposed to be doing? What is their priority?). It's easy to mock the glossy posters covered in management speak about "three pillars of modernistation" or "Our 2020 Vision", but it is helpful to at least know what your ministers think you should be doing

LukeCagesWife · 02/02/2018 06:37

Thank you for the help with IPOS - I’m going to use all of them in my response.

I may be naive, but a part of me still thinks UK will have to U-turn at some point. I think we are at the bargaining stage of grief/change and am going no where fast.

Listening to LBC last night a caller stated that the EU commission pays citizens £1k to settle in the UK. Read it in the paper apparently. sigh

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 02/02/2018 07:51

Well this is pretty hilarious. David David, the gift that keeps on giving.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/01/david-davis-used-give-advice-businesses-perhaps-like-read/

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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 02/02/2018 07:52

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borntobequiet · 02/02/2018 08:19

Am I GOING MAD or what?
Every hour, on the hour, this morning I kept hearing that Theresa May had signed "billions of £s worth of trade deals with China". This is supposed to be the start of Brexit, she said.
But we are still in the EU! So what has been stopping us signing these sort of trade deals thus far? AAAAARGH

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/02/2018 08:22

Liam fox admitted being in the Eu didn’t prevent us from signing deals

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/liam-fox-admits-being-in-eu-doesnt-stop-more-trade-with-china

borntobequiet · 02/02/2018 08:26

It's the dishonest reporting that is really pissing me off!
No one (looking at you Radio 4) is pointing out that it's not "becoz of Brexit".

woman11017 · 02/02/2018 08:38

#PulseofEurope is one of the sister grassroots groups across Europe and here.

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BiglyBadgers · 02/02/2018 09:11

I haven't had a chance to read all of this, but thought you might enjoy.

David Jones reflects on his year as a minister in the new Department for Exiting the EU. He discusses the lack of preparation for a Leave vote, the evolution of Government’s position on Ireland, and the “posturing” of the devolved administrations.
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/ministers-reflect/person/david-jones/

prettybird · 02/02/2018 09:15

borntobequiet - I have had the sane rage at BBC Breakfast and was going to come on here to ask the same question.

Why is no-one pointing out the obvious Brexiter illogicality that these deals are being signed while we are still in the EU ? Angry

brownelephant · 02/02/2018 09:25

and no, saying 'lets be clear' doesn't answer the question.
though I have to admire her for that, I sometimes whish I could be that evasive...

RedToothBrush · 02/02/2018 09:28

Times Editorial.
Has sharetoken.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lost-in-transition-rl39fspzx?shareToken=c5b35ca8beca13dc0b3959bde788c46e
Lost in Transition

The government cannot afford to get bogged down in arguments about the Brexit implementation period when time to talk about trade is so short

It says that May's determination to fight FoM and citz rights during transition is dumb assed.

Lots in a similar vein all over twitter this morning.

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woman11017 · 02/02/2018 09:44

dumb assed. Racism is more useful than trade?

lalalonglegs · 02/02/2018 10:06

The court case in Edinburgh to determine whether the UK can unilaterally revoke A50 starts this morning (it still seems a huge dereliction of duty that the government didn't determine this before invoking it...). @JolyonMaugham is in attendance and will be live tweeting it.

lalalonglegs · 02/02/2018 10:07

(Of course, Edinburgh court won't make decision but can choose to refer to European Court.)

FlyTipper · 02/02/2018 10:32

This latest 'red line' from TM on FoM reminds me of the trigger-art50-debacle. TM dug her heels in against all advice and we know how that ended in the High court. All unnecessary distraction, and all apparently down to TM's personal judgements.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/02/2018 10:53

Looks like she didn't mention human rights after all, in private or otherwise.

China commends Theresa May for 'sidestepping' human rights
State-run media calls British PM pragmatic for ignoring ‘noise and nagging’ from ‘radical public opinion’ while on visit

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/02/china-commends-visiting-theresa-may-for-sidestepping-human-rights

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