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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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LukeCagesWife · 01/02/2018 13:44

Oh, thank you Rossetti, I didn't think of that, first time complainer and all...

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 01/02/2018 14:16

Sorry if anyone has posted this.

www.cer.eu/in-the-press/statement-regarding-comments-jacob-rees-mogg-and-steve-baker-house-commons
CER statement re JRM and Baker's HoC exchange earlier.

Hasenstein · 01/02/2018 14:41

CER statement re JRM and Baker's HoC exchange earlier.

Just when I thought I couldn't detest the smirking Steve Baker any more, he piles yet more fuel on the fire of my loathing.

lalalonglegs · 01/02/2018 14:43

LukeCage - it may be worthwhile pointing out that this is not the first time that the Daily Mail has printed similarly misleading information. For example, they were forced to publish a retraction in 2016 after claiming some lorry stowaways were from EU (I don't know why EU citizens would hide in a lorry...) when in fact they were from the Middle East.

NotDavidTennant · 01/02/2018 14:44

Why don't you just quote back to them the caption form the pictures:

"Theresa May set out a new Brexit red line last night as she vowed to fight Brussels over plans that could grant up to another million EU citizens the right to settle in Britain. Pictured: Migrants wait for a train to Serbia on the track near a train station in Demi Kapija, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia in 2015"

"EU leaders accepted in December that migrants arriving after Britain leaves the bloc at the end of March next year should lose the automatic right to reside here. Pictured: migrants on the Serbia-Hungary border"

"Two migrants warm themselves with a small fire at The Jungle in Calais, Northern France"

By the Daily Mail's own admission, two pictures from non-EU countries and one from a migrant camp.

lonelyplanetmum · 01/02/2018 15:09

On a slight tangent but the Daily Vile should print things like this....

Just one 'normal' story of hundreds of thousands of businesses suffering as s result of this madness.Why is there no press attention for examples like this.( From a 48% group)

"I own an independent school uniform & stationery shop in South Wales and have just calculated the cost of Brexit on my business in 2017. I rarely mention Brexit on my FB page as it's taboo amongst my network (you'd be forgiven for thinking it wasn't actually happening), however I have just posted this:

£3,555 - what would you do with £3,555 a year?

That's how much people voting to leave the EU cost me in 2017.

An increase in my cost prices of 11%. But I couldn't put my selling prices up by 11% to cover it. I just had to take the hit.

And that's only the school uniform side of the business. It doesn't include the stationery side.

I could have employed another member of staff for one day a week for almost 12 months with that.

And if we leave the Single Market prices will go up even more. We didn't see that on the side of a bus.

#ProjectFact
#StopBrexit — feeling angry."

Reminds me of an almost identical letter sent by the Riverford organic box scheme, saying the same thing. They'd initially taken the hit of what relinquishing EU membership was costing them ...but now they were passing the cost onto customers.
Some businesses may survive this...many won't. And for what.

frozenlake · 01/02/2018 16:26

My DS is called an nickname based on his middle name, if passport control are looking for him to respond to the first name on his passport they are going to be in for disappointment ! You might having the passport would be sufficient.

DGRossetti · 01/02/2018 16:30

The end of UKIP ?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukip-faces-financial-ruin-from-mep-s-defamation-costs-jlgdgjclz (paywalled)

woman11017 · 01/02/2018 17:17

The end of UKIP ?
Ukip will look like the woodcraft folk compared to what Arron Banks and the 'football lads' have in store for us.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/02/2018 17:56

Apologies if this has already been covered;

www.cityam.com/279796/ryanair-roll-out-brexit-clause-tickets-later-year-says

woman11017 · 01/02/2018 18:22

FDA response to Baker.

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
RedToothBrush · 01/02/2018 18:24

Mum tonight. "I've come to the realisation that we can't just leave the EU. Practically its not possible to just leave."

No shit Mum. I've only been telling you this for 18 months.

And she's a remainer.

facepalm

I do wonder what planet she's daydreamed on every time ive ranted about politics!

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BigChocFrenzy · 01/02/2018 20:08

Alice in Brexitland Kindle Edition

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Alice-Brexitland-Lucien-Young-ebook/dp/B01MUH6BG7/ref=smigeecnfcnffsmi?_encoding=UTF8&ie=UTF8&keywords=alice%20in%20brexitland&pldnNewCustomer=1&qid=1517485045&s=books&sr=1-1

"Lying on a riverbank on a lazy summer’s afternoon – 23rd June 2016, to be precise – Alice spots a flustered-looking white rabbit called Dave Grin calling for a referendum.

Following him down a rabbit-hole, she emerges into a strange new land, where up is down, black is white, experts are fools and fools are experts...

She meets such characters as the Corbynpillar, who sits on a toadstool smoking his hookah and being no help to anyone;

Humpty Trumpty, perched on a wall he wants the Mexicans to pay for;

the Cheshire Twat, who likes to disappear leaving only his grin, a pint, and the smell of scotch eggs remaining;

and the terrifying Queen of Heartlessness, who’ll take off your head if you dare question her plan for Brexit.

Will Alice ever be able to find anyone who speaks sense ? Hmm

woman11017 · 01/02/2018 20:11

I've only been telling you this for 18 months Smile

Including this stuff !

@MollyMEP
Today I'm launching my new website to expose the unholy alliance of men who brought you #Brexit.
It’s truly frightening, but please don’t turn away. Our democracy is at stake.
Please share widely and bookmark #BrexitBadBoys: badboysofbrexit.com/

BigChocFrenzy · 01/02/2018 20:51

Official transcript of the visit to M Barnier by MPs from the NI Northern select committee (was about a week ago)

“It is the UK that is establishing these red lines, which are closing or opening certain doors. It is not us,”

“I was explaining this to Mr Farage and a number of other people responsible for the Brexit campaign the other day,
who I am sure some of you are familiar with.

“I said to him,
‘You have to be aware of the consequences of your decisions.
It is not up to us to assume these consequences.
There is no reason for this.
You have taken a decision and you have to live with the consequences’.”

Barnier also emphasised that Theresa May’s “red lines” in negotiations were not in fact a necessary consequence of leaving the EU, but were a choice made by her govt.

Coincidentally, Wink soon after that meeting, Farage announced that he was starting to think a second EU referendum was a good idea

supposedly to settle the issue for a generation and “finish the whole thing off” Hmm

  • but more likely Farage ruined his drawers when he finally realised the disaster of Brexit and how he personally would go down with his public and also the history books
BiglyBadgers · 01/02/2018 20:57

Placemat alert!!

Come on you guys, don't you know I'm on placement and don't have time to read all this stuff! Can we just pause brexit for a couple of months until I have a bit more free space in my calender. Wink

woman11017 · 01/02/2018 21:25

Audio of this was flying round twitter half an hour ago, and now this from little Steven Baker.

@SteveBakerHW
1/3 This morning in Parliament, I answered a question based on my honest recollection of a conversation. As I said, I considered what I had understood to be implausible, because of the impartiality of the civil service.

2/3 The audio of that conversation is now available and I am glad the record stands corrected. In the context of that audio, I accept that I should have corrected the premise of the question.

3/3 I will apologise to Charles Grant, who is an honest and trustworthy man. As I have put on record many times, I have the highest regard for our hard working civil servants. I will clarify my remarks to the House.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/02/2018 21:35

Mogg and especially Baker have little choice but to grovel in apology:

http://www.cer.eu/in-the-press/statement-regarding-comments-jacob-rees-mogg-and-steve-baker-house-commons

Dave Pennant, General Secretary of FDA (First Division Association = senior civil servants union) ha hammered both of them, see screenshot:

"It’s clear that Steve Baker does not understand the responsibilities that come with being a minister of state.

It is simply not good enough to stand at the despatch box and peddle the myths being articulated by backbenchers, simply because you share their ideology."

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
missmoon · 01/02/2018 21:53

Could someone summarise the story with Steve Baker, JRM and the Centre for European Reform (and the audio tape)? I can't keep up! Thank you!

lonelyplanetmum · 01/02/2018 21:55

From that link...
"“I recall saying to Steve Baker at a Prospect lunch at the Conservative Party Conference that I was aware of research that the Treasury had done. This apparently showed that the economic benefits of the UK forging FTAs with third countries outside the EU were significantly less than the economic costs of leaving the customs union." ( Charles Grant)

This conference was in October last year so this research has been available for six months at least.So where does that leave DD and his comments about impact assessments/sectoral analyses?

SwedishEdith · 01/02/2018 22:28

www.ft.com/content/f4775024-0774-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

UK weighing customs union deal after Brexit

Move could limit loss of EU trade but represent big climbdown by May

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Theresa May’s Brexit advisers are secretly considering whether Britain could strike a customs union deal covering trade in goods with the EU, a move that would severely limit the UK’s ability to strike out on its own.

Senior British officials argue that such a step would limit a loss of trade with Europe after Brexit, help address concerns about the north-south Irish border, and reduce the need for complex new customs procedures.

woman11017 · 01/02/2018 22:28

missmoon if you follow twitter on this account there's more on it: the prospect link takes you to the recording, hopefully.

I've no idea which thread it's on, but math did some great posts about Baker the ERG.

Baker and Mogg caught out in HOC questioning 'loyalty' of civil servants to brexit.

@tnewtondunn
Audio emerges of the Steve Baker lunch that suggests he was wrong to claim @CER_Grant said HMT are cooking the books. Critics now insist he mislead the House of Commons.Tom Newton Dunn added,
Prospect Magazine

@prospect_uk
NEW: Charles Grant's audio from the Tory party conference www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/charles-grant-and-steve-baker-grants-audio-from-the-prospect-lunch

Peregrina · 01/02/2018 22:45

Would being in the Customs Union be sufficient to preserve the GFA? My impression is not, because it was dependent on a role for the ECJ.

missmoon · 01/02/2018 22:47

Thanks woman!! I’ve been offline all day, and just couldn’t make any sense of it!

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