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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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Cailleach1 · 02/01/2018 00:13

I heard something in a film recently, which struck me. It had the line of 'pouring poison' in someone's ear. It is my opinion this is what happened/is happening, in England certainly. Before and after the ref. Poison in everybody's ear. Day in and day out. From politicians, media, press. And the strange pundits among the likes of Aaron Banks right along to Young with his Eugenics. Making weird cr*p sound everyday. It is desensitisation.

Holliewantstobehot · 02/01/2018 00:35

I remember reading several years ago that a Republican politician was advocating that noone should be allowed to receive any welfare benefits unless they agreed to be sterilised first.

America has form for this.

www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-forgotten-lessons-of-the-american-eugenics-movement

And much more recently than I realised before reading the article.

SwedishEdith · 02/01/2018 01:05

Funnily, I'm watching a Clash documentary on BBC4 from 1977. It all sounds very, VERY familiar - "Britain's fucked up", "Democracy is on the verge of collapse".

mathanxiety · 02/01/2018 01:35

It's compensating for their emasculation.

EmilyAlice · 02/01/2018 04:47

I think Toby Young's views are more likely to be some sort of reaction to his highly influential socialist father. We are talking about the Michael Young who wrote the 1945 Labour manifesto and was co-author of Family and Kinship in East London amongst other things.

pointythings · 02/01/2018 07:56

Meanwhile back in Brexitland DD warns the EU that they cannot cherry pick in trade deals and that this means the UK must be given everything it wants with regards to financial services.

Headdesk.

woman11017 · 02/01/2018 07:57

How do people like Young get positions of power in our public services?
^Freemasons are blocking reform, says Police Federation leader
Steve White, stepping down as chair, says the society is thwarting progress of women and BAME people^
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/freemasons-blocking-reform-police-federation-leader

frumpety · 02/01/2018 08:13

Is he not a bit long in the tooth to be still railing against his Father , Emily ?

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 02/01/2018 08:26

I think I could cope with almost any act of rebellion on the part of my children, though declaring allegiance to the Tory party would test my resolve somewhat. That said, having now observed the behaviour of a four-year old at close quarters, I now have a much clearer understanding of the far right mindset.

Talking of which, the far right retweets that grace my morning inbox are cookahoop about the Young appointment, which convinces me it’s a bad thing.

woman11017 · 02/01/2018 08:28

Poor reporting in the Guardian.

By April this year the new super-regulator will have fully replaced the Higher Education Funding Council for England (Hefce), the most recent version of the funding bodies that have existed since 1918

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jan/01/toby-young-universities-regulator-office-for-students

1992 saw the creation of unelected unaccountable quangos HEFC and FEFC running HE and FE sector: and monetising and democratically and professionally compromising what had been a public service run on intellectual merit and educational need.

£50k debt round children's necks and philistine Alf Garnetts like Young in positions of power or not the inevitable result, but in times like these, they are.

RedToothBrush · 02/01/2018 08:28

I think that men with Daddy complexs never get over the need to 'prove' themselves. Want another example of a prominent man with a Daddy complex?

Donald...

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Cailleach1 · 02/01/2018 08:39

Young did achieve academically when he got into Oxford. Maybe down to Oxford and the best grinds/one to one tuition and spoon feeding that Dad's intervention and money could buy. But he had been refused a place. Daddy got involved.

The Freemasons. Bloody hell! We're going back in time.

You'd think that frumpety, but people are queer. I doubt Psychoanalysts and therapists would tell their patients/clients 'pull yourself together, you're a bit long in the tooth to be talking about your daddy' And he does talk about his daddy who got him into Oxford after he had been refused. Be nice if everyone got a leg in like that .

woman11017 · 02/01/2018 08:53

Could this Young stuff be a squirrel while the NHS is privatised this week?

frumpety · 02/01/2018 08:56

I thought his article in the DM was interesting , 2016 , complaining that transparency in personal finances would mean people would be driven away from becoming MP's and would be replaced instead by morally unimpeachable pygmies , no fear of that then in 2018 Hmm

RedToothBrush · 02/01/2018 09:02

Young is not a squirrel. Young is the one who will ideologically lead the battle waged on the NHS against education.

Its a new front opening in the uk culture war I'm afraid.

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frumpety · 02/01/2018 09:04

Woman , NHS privatised ? How , where , when ?

Cailleach1 · 02/01/2018 09:08

Yes, because you get a much better sort if you keep a veil over things. Because they of course are indisputably giants, not pygmies. Or does it take a better intentioned and more capable person to have lives which don't bear any scrutiny?

BiglyBadgers · 02/01/2018 09:15

would be replaced instead by morally unimpeachable pygmies

Oh, how we once dreamed. Hmm

frumpety · 02/01/2018 09:22

Not many column inches in being nice to or about people are there ?

woman11017 · 02/01/2018 09:23

In HE the structure has been in place for 25 years for partisan nazis to take control. And since 2010, schools too. Ask Mr Young.

Its a new front opening in the uk culture war
Yep. But policy not personality ultimately wins, ask Mr Pence.

Accountable Care Organisations:

Apparently nothing to worry about. frumpety Hmm

I'm sure we'll all get behind it.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/01/nhs-shake-up-is-not-a-trojan-horse-for-privatisation-says-top-doctor
www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/nhs/heres-proof-the-government-are-privatising-the-nhs/

They are organisations, but accountable and care seems to be over stating it a bit.

Critics fear that the introduction of ACOs – based on US healthcare bodies of the same name – could lead to swaths of the NHS falling into the hands of private healthcare firms and other profit-driven companies. These are thought likely to be keen to influence or control how ACOs’ pooled budgets – potentially billions of pounds each – are spent

Last week it was revealed that private firms won £3.1bn worth of contracts in 2016-17 to provide NHS services, and that Richard Branson’s Virgin Care scooped £1bn – the largest amount any for-profit firm has secured in a year

Keogh says ACOs will be “complete care systems”, with NHS physical, mental, community-based and ambulance trusts working in close partnership along with local council providers of adult social care in order to give patients a more joined-up service that caters for all their needs together

This year NHS bodies in eight places will come together with local councils and other organisations to work as complete care systems, with the needs of patients, not individual organisations, driving decision-making,” he writes

But Ben White, a junior doctor and NHS campaigner who is supporting one of two ongoing lawsuits challenging the legality of ACOs, said: “If they are not opening the door to greater private sector involvement, why would the Department of Health say membership of an ACO is up to the ACO itself? Keogh simply cannot know whether these 10- to 15-year contracts involving commercial organisations will lead to the same rip-off as private finance initiatives.

frumpety · 02/01/2018 09:40

Interesting , have a little look at Vanguards in the NHS Woman , a precursor to the ACO's . They have been all the rage in recent times .

woman11017 · 02/01/2018 09:56

I see now what you were saying about 'culture war' and what they have provoked now with the Young appointment. Red Interesting.
They are definitely 'in' now.

Very Trumpy all this isn't it.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 10:19

Lawyer friend of mine was telling me three years ago that the NHS was being privatised by stealth. He was involved in some of the contracts/bids, whereby the private sector organisations would loss-lead in a bid in order to win it. Once they had won it and poached the staff on lower salaries , the NHS then lost the expertise locally, so when the contract came up for renewal, the private company could bump the price up Angry - even though it wasn't offering as good a service.

We now live in a country (and have done for some time) which knows the price of everything and the value of nothing Sad - or at least, that's the way the Government operates Angry (It certainly knows the value of these contracts to its cronies HmmAngry)

RedToothBrush · 02/01/2018 10:30

Lets take back control of our borders! Ohh.....

www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/the-people-guarding-the-uks-borders-say-theyre-struggling?utm_term=.an9M0Lb3GE#.hmNpdWrwYB
The People Guarding The UK's Borders Say They're Struggling To Cope, And It'll Only Get Worse After Brexit
Staff in Border Force and UKVI say they're stressed out and overworked, and they're not convinced by ministers' preparations for Brexit.

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BigChocFrenzy · 02/01/2018 10:40

Brexit accomplishments:

As the Titanic sinks, May hasn't just rearranged the deck chairs

  • she's painted them dark blue as well.