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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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lalalonglegs · 29/12/2017 18:03

First TM's equality tsar resigns because of the government's lack of commitment, now her infrastructure tsar throws in the towel. Lord Adonis resigns claiming the PM has become "the voice of UKIP"

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/12/2017 18:07

If I were being paid to influence opinion I'd have got the sack long before now.

One of the reasons as why I chuckled at myself when described as "A Labour activist who patrols these threads".

woman11017 · 29/12/2017 18:09

Maybe remainers were simply more motivated and more energetic in their anger at whats wrong in modern society
Naa, lots going on. We're in it for the duration, and beyond. Smile
We've just been disappeared from main stream media in england.

HashiAsLarry · 29/12/2017 18:13

Me too cat
Though I suppose mine comes more from a family perspective, and how far we've dropped as a society that people would rather lose a loving relationship and hold their hate as hatred is now ok (at least outwardly). Sad

Don't make out like you're not eee, we've all seen you waving a truncheon and pointing a flashlight Wink

woman11017 · 29/12/2017 18:41

Adonis resignation letter.

Dear prime minister,

The hardest thing in politics is to bring about lasting change for the better, and I believe in co-operation across parties to achieve it.

In this spirit I was glad to accept reappointment last year as chair of the independent National Infrastructure Commission, when you also reaffirmed your support for HS2, which will help overcome England’s north-south divide when it opens in just eight years time. I would like to thank you for your courtesy in our personal dealings..........................

The European Union withdrawal bill is the worst legislation of my lifetime. It arrives soon in the House of Lords and I feel duty bound to oppose it relentlessly from the Labour benches.

Brexit is a populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. After the narrow referendum vote, a form of associate membership of the EU might have been attempted without rupturing Britain’s key trading and political alliances. Instead, by allying with Ukip and the Tory hard right to wrench Britain out of the key economic and political institutions of modern Europe, you are pursuing a course fraught with danger

Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade. If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children’s generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.

A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse.

The government is hurtling towards the EU’s emergency exit with no credible plan for the future of British trade and European co-operation, all the while ignoring – beyond soundbites and inadequate programmes – the crises of housing, education, the NHS, and social and regional inequality which are undermining the fabric of our nation and feeding a populist surge.

What Britain needs in 2018 is a radically reforming government in the tradition of Attlee, working tirelessly to eradicate social problems while strengthening Britain’s international alliances. This is a cause I have long advocated, and acted upon in government, and I intend to pursue it with all the energy I can muster.

Britain must be deeply engaged, responsible and consistent as a European power. When in times past we have isolated ourselves from the continent in the name of “empire” or “sovereignty”, we were soon sucked back in. This will inevitably happen again, given our power, trade, democratic values and sheer geography. Putin and the rise of authoritarian nationalism in Poland and Hungry are flashing red lights. As Edmund Burke so wisely wrote, “People will not look forwards to posterity who do not look backwards to their ancestors.”

However, I would have been obliged to resign from the Commission at this point anyway because of the transport secretary’s indefensible decision to bail out the Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast rail franchise. The bailout will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds, possibly billions if other loss-making rail companies demand equal treatment. It benefits only the billionaire owners of these companies and their shareholders, while pushing rail fares still higher and threatening national infrastructure investment. It is even more inexcusable given the Brexit squeeze on public spending.

The only rationale I can discern for the bailout is as a cynical political manoeuvre by Chris Grayling, a hard right Brexiteer, to avoid following my 2009 precedent when National Express defaulted on its obligations to the state for the same East Coast franchise because it too had overbid for the contract. I set up a successful public operator to take over East Coast services and banned National Express from bidding for new contracts. The same should have been done in this case. Yet, astonishingly, Stagecoach has not only been bailed out: it remains on the shortlist for the next three rail franchises.

The East Coast affair will inevitably come under close scrutiny by the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee, and I need to be free to set out serious public interest concerns. I hope the PAC calls Sir Richard Branson and Sir Brian Souter to give evidence. I am ready to share troubling evidence with the PAC and other parliamentary committees investigating the bailout.

As you know, I raised these concerns with the chancellor and the transport secretary as soon as the bailout became apparent from the small print of an odd policy statement on 29 November majoring on reversing Beeching rail closures of the 1960s. I received no response from either Minister beyond inappropriate requests to desist.

Brexit is causing a nervous breakdown across Whitehall and conduct unworthy of Her Majesty’s government. I am told, by those of longer experience, that it resembles Suez and the bitter industrial strife of the 1970s, both of which endangered not only national integrity but the authority of the state itself.

You occupy one of the most powerful offices in the history of the world, the heir of Churchill, Attlee and Gladstone. Whatever our differences, I wish you well in guiding our national destiny at this critical time.

Yours sincerely,
Andrew Adonis

Not on BBC news.

mrsreynolds · 29/12/2017 18:44

And that ^ ladies and gents is how you do it

woman11017 · 29/12/2017 18:56

Grin it is a bit 'drop the mic' y. MrsR
We have no official leader, but I think the first speech has just been published. Oh dear, it's trending.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/12/2017 19:01

Star for Adonis!

Dan O'Brien
@danobrien20
Significant shift in attitudes to a united Ireland in the Republic during 2017, according to new @ireland_thinks/Mail poll

Peter Geoghegan
@PeterKGeoghegan
From my limited first hand experience Brexit has, for first time in over a generation, engendered real sympathy in Irish republic for northern nationalists. Remarkable feat

Westminstenders: Blue Passports
Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/12/2017 19:18

Hashi :) I think I do have a hi-vis jacket somewhere. Maybe I should don that each time I post :)

The story is now on the BBC, even if the full text of the resignation letter isn't. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42514117

I do find some of the comments about rail franchising a bit Xmas Hmm, as I seem to remember him being quite keen on it back in the day... www.theguardian.com/business/2009/feb/09/adonis-backs-railway-franchise

thecatfromjapan · 29/12/2017 19:21

Wow.

mrsreynolds · 29/12/2017 19:31
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Frankiestein401 · 29/12/2017 19:53

@Eeeeeowwwfftz the full text letter is on BBC Web site at least - I've said before carping at the beeb weakens it's general support and facilitates political challenge - its perfectly understandable, preferable even, that the beeb isn't first with the news.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/12/2017 20:15

Frank - I was simply providing an update on woman's report that the BBC was yet to cover the story. I gather the Beeb tends to seek corroboration of a story before publishing, which is why it rarely breaks a story. Which is fine by me. We have the internet now.

PattyPenguin · 29/12/2017 20:43

Just popped in to say that the rainbow passports (Barely United Kingdon of Great Britain and the DUP) are now available for sale. Unfortunately the site selling them doesn't seem to be secure (the https is struck through on my display). Shouldn't hurt to look, though.
descience.shop/collections/trumpton-brexit/products/the-rainbow-passport

bananafish81 · 29/12/2017 20:48

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bananafish81 · 29/12/2017 20:49

Sorry wrong thread! Blush

Frankiestein401 · 29/12/2017 21:22

@Eeeeeowwwfftz - apologies - I read it as a carp :(

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/12/2017 22:31

No worries. It wasn’t clear, out of context.

HesterThrale · 29/12/2017 23:40

The Adonis letter is a stinger. Wow. It's about time politicians started speaking their minds and being honest.

Now. It feels like the time has come for the Opposition parties to start talking to each other about what they agree on, and forming a loose coalition ready to push for an election. This Govt no longer has the moral integrity or competence to govern, and need to be replaced for the good of the the country.

woman11017 · 29/12/2017 23:53

Absolutely agree, Hester

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 01:27

(declassified files from 1987) British proposed East German-style border for Ireland

Great: copy how a dictatorship controlled another country split by its conquerors Confused
So copying idea from dictators isn't a new thing for a Tory govt

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/british-proposed-east-german-style-border-for-ireland-files-reveal-1.3339833

“The second idea under consideration on the British side was the possibility of physically delineating the Border along its full length.

They cited, as an example, the frontier between East and West Germany which is delineated by posts set in the ground at regular intervals of five metres or so."

< with similar shoot-to-kill by border guards ? Oh, of course Britain already had that policy in NI >

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 01:29

That was to control people of course, not trade - Tories love freedom for trade, just not for people

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 01:39

Loyalists told [RoI PM] Charles Haughey MI5 ‘asked us to execute you’

Hardly surprising the RoI want written assurances over Brexit deal

Trying to murder their PM - presumably to get a more proBritish one ShockAngry

  • shows the level of crimes UK govts have been prepared to commit to get their own way against the RoI

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/loyalists-told-charles-haughey-mi5-asked-us-to-execute-you-1.3339804

Charles Haughey was told by loyalist paramilitaries 30 years ago that MI5 had ordered his assassination, declassified state papers show.

Records from his office while he was taoiseach in 1987 reveal that the UVF wrote to him to tell him that British intelligence also launched a smear campaign against him.

The loyalists claimed their organisation was used by MI5 and MI6, backed up by British army special forces, from 1972 to 1978 and again in 1985.

“In 1985 we were approached by a MI5 officer attached to the NIO (Northern Ireland Office)
and based in Lisburn, Alex Jones was his supposed name,” the UVF said.
“He asked us to execute you.”

The previously secret letter, on UVF headed paper, showed the loyalists told Mr Haughey that
the MI5 operative gave details of his cars, photographs of his home, his island, Inishvickillane, and his yacht, Celtic Mist.

“We refused to do it, we were asked would we accept responsibility if you were killed we refused,” the UVF said in the letter.

“We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.”

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 08:33

With the British penchant for meddling in other sovereign countries affairs being revealed (once again), the outrage against Russia seems slightly shrill now.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 08:36

1985 ... not that long after Harrys Game ...