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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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DGRossetti · 28/12/2017 16:18

DGRosetti, I believe you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Most likely Grin.

Avid BBC4 muso-docu fans (raises hand) will appreciate the slew of flashes of history from the UKs incredibly diverse and vibrant music history, mixed with the contemporary political mores.

The punk-reggae skinhead-ska pairings were a brief vision of how it could be. Loads of skinheads turning up at Rock against Racism gigs in Finsbury park late 70s/early 80s. Colour blind bands like UB40 ("Food For Thought" is still up there as a political pop masterpiece), The Specials, The Selector, The Beat ...

I'm sure music was better in our day Smile ....

mrsreynolds · 28/12/2017 16:31

No I havent lala thank you!

I wonder what Dave thinks about that!???

I still treasure a cassette tape showing my age there! an old bf made for me of his 101 live in Berlin LP 😁

prettybird · 28/12/2017 17:00

At the risk of de-railing still further, ds (17) is a fan of Queen, ELO, Quo and even a bit of Neil Diamond Shock he's been listening to too much of our music Grin

And my present to dh for Christmas was a Bluetooth turntable so that we can listen to some of our old LPs Xmas Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/12/2017 17:01

I feel woefully under-qualified to discuss punk music but am following with interest! These threads are an education on so many fronts Grin

Meet ‘Posh George’: The Shady Money Man Tangled Up With Brexit, Russia, and Trump

Why did Nigel Farage take a dark web fraudster to the Republican convention? And what did this young money-laundering maven tell the feds when they busted him?

www.thedailybeast.com/meet-posh-george-the-shady-money-man-tangled-up-with-brexit-russia-and-trump?source=twitter&via=desktop

HashiAsLarry · 28/12/2017 17:35

Blimey. Bugger off to install a sofa and we've gone all punk Grin

Fwiw my DC's do love a good dance around to steps.

woman11017 · 28/12/2017 17:51

Shock well Pain Thank you for that. What a lot of famous names linked to him. This 'brexit' malarkey seems so corrupt.
Another death threat to remainer woman MP.

Westminstenders: Blue Passports
mrsreynolds · 28/12/2017 18:19

I approve pretty
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mrsreynolds · 28/12/2017 18:19

Just saw that on Twitter woman
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BigChocFrenzy · 28/12/2017 19:47

If you wonder why some MPs are reluctant to stand up and oppose hard Brexit - well, fear of violent threats is probably one issue
especially for women MPs, who know they will be particularly targeted whenever they anger the fascists nut-jobs

woman11017 · 28/12/2017 19:58

Yup. BigChoc it is fundamental to free votes. This is not normal.

HesterThrale · 28/12/2017 23:47

Brexit: Corbyn is playing a clever long game that could benefit us all.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/12/28/brexit-corbyn-is-playing-a-clever-long-game-that-could-benef

Really? Well. It'd be nice to think that someone... anyone... had some sort of plan.

mathanxiety · 29/12/2017 07:04

Looks like Dave G and DM have a bit of a cult following going in the US too, Lala

BigChocFrenzy · 29/12/2017 07:50

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/dec/29/uk-to-sink-to-the-bottom-of-oecd-wage-growth-index-in-2018

Britain is set to have the worst wage growth of any wealthy nation next year, ranking behind Italy, Greece and Hungary, according to analysis by the TUC.
The UK is forecast to come bottom from 32 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Developmentt* wealthy nations for wage performance in 2018,
according to the study of OECD figures by the unions’ umbrella group.

British workers are expected to see their earnings decrease by 0.7% in 2018 when taking account of inflation, which has surged in the past year as a result of the pound’s weakness since the EU referendum, pushing up the cost of importing food and fuel.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/12/2017 07:52

The head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, said failure to reach a deal by the end of March would jeopardise jobs and investment.
She said companies had put their plans on hold amid political uncertainty, while firms in other nations had moved ahead with major infrastructure projects and adapting to digital technology.

Writing in her end of year letter to more than 190,000 members, she appeared to criticise cabinet infighting over Brexit
. “From our politicians we need unity, clarity and certainty, not a different opinion every day,”

annandale · 29/12/2017 08:15

But Carolyn Fairburn is speaking from a business perspective, not a political perspective. If every email or comment she made were subject to a public battering by the red tops, if her customers' views were as febrile and changeable as the political landscape, if she had the limited employment pool of the HoC, she might see why a definite policy may end up with less stability. I don't feel sorry for TM any more but nobody could look at brats like Redwood and his gang, or Arlene Foster, and think 'oh yes this is a straightforward management task'. It's really extraordinary that the current administration is still there.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 29/12/2017 09:00

Hester Thanks for that link, interesting. I find myself mostly nodding in agreement, apart from this bit:

If necessary, it can reassure its Leave voters that it wanted very much to leave the single market in apparent (although by no means clear) accordance with their wishes, but Dublin's insistence on a fully open border has rendered that impossible. Given that Corbyn could never have reconciled the demands of soft Brexit with the outcomes of hard, Leo Varadkar has gifted him the perfect get-out.

I think blaming a failure to Brexit on Ireland would be very, very, very, very bad indeed, and nothing could be better calculated to raise shackles in many quarters.

The only way to get to a less Leavey stance is to follow public opinion there. The thing that would really be clever (and I agree there's little that's been clever so far) would be to gently push public opinion and giving the impression of following it.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/12/2017 10:08

[There are obviously lots of real people who are (in my opinion, legitimately) furious with Labour for their Brexit stance but this is a different beast]

Mike Hind‏
@MikeH_PR

Be aware.

  1. There is a new twist in the Brexity disinformation black ops playing out on Twitter.

It appears to be imported from Trumpkin America, where similar efforts to divide the anti-Trump 'resistance' have been quite successful.

It's 'Fake #FBPE'

  1. I first became aware of attempts to divide the anti-Brexit movement back in the late summer. It began with an approach by one 'Barry G's Ghost' - a supposed anti-Trump Republican who was now turning his/her/their attention to Brexit Britain.

I played along, to learn more.

  1. 'Barry' made a slightly cloak and dagger approach to me via DM, with 'information' concerning certain high profile anti-Brexit accounts.

It was at the height of the Russia hysteria

We switched to secure double-encrypted email to discuss this revelation in a safer environment

  1. 'Barry' then fed me, over several weeks, 'intelligence' that people like @Rachael_Swindon @EmporersNewC & other high impact anti-Tory/Brexit accounts were Kremlin assets.

It was clearly horsesh*t but I played along.

I fed 'Barry' some more 'suspects' to investigate...

  1. I chose people I know personally - or could easily verify as real - telling 'Barry' I suspected they were Internet Research Agency shills.

Soon 'Barry' was confirming that @markpalexander @bobreeduk and others are Putin agents.

But why was he doing this?

  1. 'Barry' wanted me to stop amplifying them. I guess I was perceived by someone as an 'influencer' whose retweets of and engagement with these people was inconveniently promoting their strong anti-Brexit messages.

I will post our exchanges one day, but back to Fake #FBPE now

  1. Soon after #FBPE started a large number of new 'Remain' Twitter accounts began to appear - all identifying as #FBPE.

Many of them were low quality, bot-like or programmatic sharers of other accounts' content. They just added noise. Others were genuine new anti-Brexit people

  1. And a significant number of #FBPE accounts turned out to be pretenders to the pro-European position. Fake #FBPE.

They were inserting themselves into exchanges and raising the temperature. Egging on genuine pro-Europeans and introducing troll-like rhetoric and behaviour,

  1. Some of my followers are onto this now and have been privately sharing suspect accounts (thanks @i400s @dwatchorn et al) since they noticed some of the weirder interactions I was having over the past few days.

I am building a list of them.

  1. Just like 'Barry' it seems their intention is to isolate (in typical troll fashion) certain voices and messages, sow discord and introduce an element of paranoia into the #FBPE community.

But who are they? Who would do this?

  1. A clue comes from the political developments of the past few weeks.

They are predominantly anti-Labour, while often pretending to be Labour supporters.

It's fertile ground for them, given the intrinsic dislike of Labour's Brexit stance for many.

They're onto a winner here.

  1. #FBPE has been compromised in the classic way - by playing on the natural inclinations of a community, amplifying the rhetoric and creating division. It's working brilliantly for them.

How well? Because they are being amplified by real #FBPE people now.

  1. I smell the hand of Farage/Bannon at play here, in their usual unholy alliance with the Tories. Others will doubtless assume it's another Kremlin op. Still others will refuse to see it at all, because they've been had - and that's hard to admit.

But it's happening.

lalalonglegs · 29/12/2017 10:33

You're right, math - this is one of my favourite bits from the film, 100% American Smile

DGRossetti · 29/12/2017 11:17

As with the extreme powers gifted to this administration being even more of a gift to the next, all this jiggery pokery with fake news and chatbots and social media poisoning is all very well when it's going with the tide.

But at some point in the future, all the people who are clambering up through society on the mess they are making are going to be devoured by the monster they have created.

Although I imagine having read Frankenstein (or the Modern Prometheus), or being able to see it as an allegory is metropolitan elitism.

Does no one remember the end of "Genesis of the Daleks" ?

I'd like to think that Farages "anti-establishment" schtick, and lack of any honours is an example of this.

woman11017 · 29/12/2017 15:03

Mucho discussion of that Mike Hind thread pain .
Looks like standard issue trumpbrexit tactics which they used on the Democrats. What they haven't counted on is how many already actually know and can vouch for each other.

Nasty though.

I noticed this pre Women's March, when we seemed to get lots of alleged 'men's rights' activists up in arms about different sorts of men attending the marches. They were all welcomed. Very few came in fact.

We had the biggest international number of Women's marches with women numbering into the millions, on the same day. Ever.

thecatfromjapan · 29/12/2017 15:22

I've been away, without WiFi.

Thanks for the update about the weirdy faux-Remain trolls. How bizarre.

I think my children have millennial music tastes: they're teaching themselves the bouzouki and ukulele at the moment. Bless 'em. Both lefty and pro-Remain.

Somehow, Christmas has made me angrier about Brexit than I was. I'm trying to analyse why. Sad

DGRossetti · 29/12/2017 15:50

Looks like Dave G and DM have a bit of a cult following going in the US too

If you ever get a chance, www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n93c4 follows the rise of electro-pop in British pop music, and mentions how massive Depeche Mode are in America. First time I saw it, I was "what ?!".

And Vince Clark is a one-man hit machine.

I believe "Flock of Seagulls" are still quite big in the US too.

Mistigri · 29/12/2017 15:58

Re faux remainers ...

I was approached by DM by this Barry's Ghost person several months ago - he made a series of what I considered downright weird suggestions about how I could prove that I am a private individual living in France and not a Russian troll. I told him his suggestions were creepy and intrusive and politely called a halt to the conversation - filed it under "people on twitter are weird" and never thought any more about it.

I am not a very active twitter user and have no idea why anyone would care if I was a Russian troll or not, given that I hardly ever post there. If I were being paid to influence opinion I'd have got the sack long before now.

mrsreynolds · 29/12/2017 17:35

I feel the same cat
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DGRossetti · 29/12/2017 17:52

Somehow, Christmas has made me angrier about Brexit than I was. I'm trying to analyse why

Because the absence of any news at the moment gives the illusion impression of progress ?

Maybe remainers were simply more motivated and more energetic in their anger at whats wrong in modern society ?