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Westminstenders: Blue Passports

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2017 14:57

Yay for the blue passports.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all

May next year bring us £350 million for the NHS, cake, unicorns, financial passporting, access to the single market, Irish love and of course control to the people.

(Apologies been up to my eyeballs. Normal service will resume after Christmas).

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BiglyBadgers · 30/12/2017 08:38

Russia is doing what Russia does. My outrage is for the British and Americans that help them or gain from it, particularly while they are accusing me of being unpatriotic.

mathanxiety · 30/12/2017 08:41

Lala - Dave Gahan doing an excellent 'Lenin at the Finland Station' here:

'Where's the Revolution?'
Plonkysaurus · 30/12/2017 08:44

That letter. We need more letters like that one.

woman11017 · 30/12/2017 09:00

There's more where that came from except for the stuff that's been 'disappeared' BCF

Thatch loved Pinochet.

@Andrew_Adonis
The Mail is spot on. I am indeed the ‘Brexit-hating Lord Adonis

His letter, as well to a call to metaphorical arms, is actually very shocking. He's describing a travesty of incompetence and corruption.

the outrage against Russia seems slightly shrill now
Brexit is not making us digitally, politically, economically or militarily vulnerable at all. Hmm

mathanxiety · 30/12/2017 09:43

DGRossetti Sat 30-Dec-17 08:33:23
With the British penchant for meddling in other sovereign countries affairs being revealed (once again), the outrage against Russia seems slightly shrill now.

Doesn't it indeed...

Nice to see Haughey's ever-present suspicion of Britain and (not always principled, it must be stated) hawkish Republican attitude confirmed, in a way. Nobody ever considered assassinating Jack Lynch.

Nobody on the eastern side of the Irish Sea anyway
He was far too useful to Westminster

I suspect the revelations will contribute somewhat to the phenomenon noted in the article PaininTheEar posted - the documents have certainly brought me right back to Irish politics in the heady days of the 70s.

It's possible the 'Arms Crisis' will now be subject to at least speculation and possibly re-examination, with the question of dirty tricks hovering in the background. Fianna Fail went through many years of turmoil and bitter feuding from the late 60s until the end of Haughey's career. The contribution of Haughey's personal political ambition to the divisions in the party has been emphasised up to now, but I wonder if I am the only Irish person wondering if Westminster had anything to do with encouraging opposition to Haughey within FF and within the Irish media.

woman11017 · 30/12/2017 09:51

I wonder if I am the only Irish person wondering if Westminster had anything to do with encouraging opposition to Haughey within FF and within the Irish media
Well now......Even redacting and disappearing documents won't prevent those who were there remembering.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 11:13

Reflecting on the line "“We refused to do it, we were asked would we accept responsibility if you were killed we refused,”

that's asking if the UVF would claim the hit if British security services murdered the Irish PM

So the only thing that saved his life was that the security services needed a patsy to take the blame
Otherwise they'd just have murdered him themselves

Horrifying. Shameful. AngryAngry
It casts a light on crimes by the British state against the RoI only 30 years ago Angry
The total lack of scruples and regard for the law AngryAngry

What's the British govt doing now against the RoI that we don't know about ?
Given the fresh anger at them making Brexit tougher
What are they doing against other EU countries and individuals who won't knuckle under to British demands ?

< Easy to see why the Official Secrets Act is so important, why this govt in particular wants to keep everything it does so secret >

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 11:24

So some wish to excuse Russian interference - crimes - on the grounds of British crimes
then others will excuse British crimes because of Russian crimes ...

so Britain, Russia, the USA can all carry on committing crimes against other countries, because "they're all doing it`' ?

It is the vast majority of ordinary people - who had nothing to do with any of this - who suffer

Let's condemn all the crimes, all the interference
In Ireland
In the Brexit ref
In the USA elections
In the spread of hate & fascism in the USA, UK, Russia, Europe
In the ME, Afghanistan

The more people excuse the side with whom they sympathise, the more the other sides extend the crimes
The more hate and death around the workd
The oligarchs continue to get richer
The poor continue to get poorer, even more vulnerable. To die

HashiAsLarry · 30/12/2017 13:14

Yy bigchoc
When peer pressure strikes children, they're often told that just because everyone else was doing it doesn't excuse them from doing it. The same applies to governments etc.

BiglyBadgers · 30/12/2017 13:23

I'm not excusing Russian interference BigChoc, but I do recognise that Russia is very open about its policy of sowing chaos and disinformation. Putin doesn't give two hoots about me and has no reason to, my anger isn't going to change a policy that Putin feels is in his interests.

However, I do expect my government to protect my interests. I expect them to be doing everything they can to stop Russian interference. They work for us and should bloody well be doing what is best for us. I am bloody furious that there are people in our government and in positions of power who seem to be using the Russian policy to their own advantage. It makes me even more furious that these people are the first to accuse people like me of being unpatriotic for not supporting brexit.

As I say, it is not about saying what Russia is doing is OK, it is about recognising who has a direct responsibility to protect me and who is failing in that.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/12/2017 13:41

My sentiments too bigly, though you’ve expressed it far more eloquently that I could!

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 13:42

I never thought I'd say it, but some of the Diana conspiracists claims start to look more viable ...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/12/2017 13:43

Case in point: *than I could Blush

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/12/2017 13:48

mobile.twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/941999102241501185

This was linked to on a thread about miniature acts of vindictiveness and is genuinely hilarious. It’s basically about the woes that people wish on Nigel Fromage. I have had the worst few months of my entire life and this is genuinely the first belly laugh I have had for ages.

Cailleach1 · 30/12/2017 13:49

I don't think any interference was needed for Haughey to be decried.

Just wondering why the media aren't really reporting on all of the Adonis letter. Just heard someone on the radio bemoaning how he could have resigned on something other than Brexit. If they read the letter, he did.

Where is the issue of the connection between Chris Grayling and the taxpayers bailout of the railway czars? While still being able to bid in future. This should be front page. Top headline.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 14:02

Am I alone in wondering how all this cloak and dagger manipulation of parliament, the media, and various silently passing scandals (e.g. the rail bailout) is akin to trying to smooth the bubbles in a piece of wallpaper ...

Eventually they will all join up into a big bubble....

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 14:02

I'm most outraged about the crimes the Uk commits
because that's our country and we are the ones who should demand these crimes stop
Particularly against a small country that is our closest neighbour and has almost no defence against us - except the EU, btw

Putin is an enemy; his country has been an enemy fir decades
Their actions are not surpassing, in a country that has never been a democracy
The UK, with all its preaching and airs of moral superiority, its longstanding democracy - that outrages me.

As for the exceptionalism that Brexiters keep claiming - very clearly the UK is not better than the rest
The security forces have dragged the UK down to the gutter

Trying to murder the elected leader of a friendly country, to change their policies to what the Uk wants

If this could happen comparatively recently, then what is happening now ?
Have May, DD & co instructed Uk security forces to blackmail or murder Barnier, Merkel, Macron ?
Stir up the far right in their countries ? Terrorism ?
Is that the great plan, why the govt expects cake ?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/12/2017 14:04

Asian embassies cut by Boris Johnson to fund EU diplomats

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asian-embassies-cut-by-boris-johnson-to-fund-eu-diplomats-gl72m0gh7?shareToken=7d88e9d4536a8c06a9caf867d6d9b644

Boris Johnson is cutting staff in embassies outside the EU to bolster representation within the bloc despite claims of promoting “global Britain”.

The Foreign Office is hiring 50 extra staff to work in embassies across the 27 remaining EU member states, officials have revealed. It is also increasing the rank of ambassadors to smaller EU states to “senior management” as it seeks to influence Brexit negotiations.

To pay for the diplomatic surge it is hollowing out missions across the world, including in emerging markets in Asia and the Americas, removing diplomats and downgrading embassies. Critics said that the “reprioritisation” programme made a mockery of Mr Johnson’s claims to be readying the nation to take a more active role beyond Europe after leaving the EU.

The foreign secretary is one of the cabinet’s leading advocates of a “clean” to take maximum advantage of leaving the single market and customs union by striking free trade deals with other countries.

Details of the shift emerged when Sir Alan Duncan and senior officials appeared before the Commons foreign affairs committee last month to update MPs on the department’s preparations for Brexit. Caroline Wilson, Europe director at the Foreign Office, said that there had been a “big network shift to emerging market economies, including India and China” at the expense of European diplomacy in recent years. She said that the shift back to Europe was “redressing the balance”.

In his evidence Sir Alan said: “We are developing proposals for making savings across Asia-Pacific, south Asia and Afghanistan, the Americas and Africa to release about £4.2 million worth of savings to fund these 50 new jobs.”

In addition the Foreign Office plans to hire a further 50 staff at home to deal with Brexit.

Ambassadors in Malta, Luxembourg, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia and Slovakia are to be promoted to the senior management level. This will result in their salaries rising from a maximum of £68,539 to £117,800.

“Following the EU referendum, the work in those posts has become more important to us,” Ms White told MPs. She said that the Foreign Office was in negotiations with the Treasury cutting posts elsewhere in the world.

Officials refused to say how many jobs would be lost outside the EU and said that the creation of the Department for International Trade would ensure that Britain remained well placed to reap economic rewards from Brexit.

Ian Austin, MP, said that the reprioritisation showed that voters had been misled about the consequences of leaving the EU. “This shows an insular administration in retreat,” he said.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2017 14:12

Trying to murder the elected leader of a friendly country, to change their policies to what the Uk wants

Of course America has been in the frame for trying to bump Castro off for years too.

And it's no secret what happened in the s̲e̲c̲u̲l̲a̲r̲ d̲e̲m̲o̲c̲r̲a̲c̲y̲ of Iran, when the US sent Kermit in with UK backing in 1953.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

That's Kermit Roosevelt of course, shaming the family name Sad.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 14:15

Smearing and propaganda is par for the course of the bullying, unscrupulous country that Britain has usually been, when dealing with weaker countries. So that doesn't shock me

Trying to murder the head of govt is NOT business as usual.

Most Brits feel if say Merkel was plotting to murder May
Maybe that helps convey what a leper the Uk could become, would deserve to be, unless the plotters are punished

These released papers should start a criminal investigation

If there is sufficient evidence, the guilty must be convicted and jailed
Not covered up, not protected like the paras who murdered unarmed demonstrators at Bloody Sunday

These crimes will continue as long as perpetrators think will get away with it

  • jailing past criminals will discourage future participants, at least those of medium or high rank, with so much to lose.

Maybe the best hope for justice is if Irish Americans put pressure on Congress and on US business.
Maybe the EU will be outraged that the UK tried to murder the head of govt of a fellow EU member

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 14:18

This is the UK, trying to murder the PM of a democratic country, supposed to be our friend

I'm astonished that everyone isn't outraged
both in the UK
and certainly in Ireland, the USA, the EU

BigChocFrenzy · 30/12/2017 14:21

If German security forces were found to be plotting to murder May, would British people really just shrug and say that other countries do this sort of thing too ?

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/12/2017 14:31

This is all fucking terrifying. Sorry I don’t have anything more eloquent or informed to add. I just want to go to sleep for 10 years.
How did we get to this?

RedToothBrush · 30/12/2017 14:53

Corruption.

Pure and simple. Corruption.
At all levels of the UK government.

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woman11017 · 30/12/2017 15:30

Brits should aim to reduce their calorie intake to 1,800 a day over their three main meals, according to new guidance from Public Health England (PHE).

But the guidelines have come under criticism for being ‘a lie designed to manipulate people into eating less

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/british-calorie-intake-cut-per-day-1800-health-guidelines-a8129726.html

Well, could be paternal gov putting us all on diets, could be something else.

British state is perfectly formed for corruption.
This has been a few decades coming.
They're in now.

More online death threats to Article 50 challenge organisers.

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