Westministenders: Rebel Rebel Your Brexit is a Mess.

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Hot Tramp, I love you so!

The European Parliament have agreed to progress talks to the next stage. Despite Brexiteers saying its not legally binding, it is apparent that the EU certainly disagree.

Not only that, but the wording of the deal goes further. It binds us to not being able to agree and new trade deals for 2 years.

The All Important Amendment 7 to the Great Repel Bill has been successful. May’s power grab has a set back.

By just FOUR votes the government was defeated. How May will be regretting that pointless election tonight.

Parliament will have a meaningful vote on the exit terms.

But don’t be too excited. Brussels might not like this as May can not guarantee the UK will agree to a deal. It means the the EU are negotiating with parliament NOT May now.

There is also the suggestion that the mood of parliament is changing and is beginning to lean more towards a EFTA / EEA type deal.

But equally this could also send us to the brink with a deal from the EU that could be rejected by parliament.

The stakes just got higher.

This was one of the things discussing the notion of engaging the non-voters

Dirk Singer‏
@dirktherabbit

Changing minds is largely futile.

Far better to maximise our vote and target non voters, which is exactly what Leave did (a point made by @MikeH_PR a while back

medium.com/@mikehind/if-youre-asking-how-we-persuade-the-brexity-trumpkins-you-re-asking-the-wrong-question-16bef7837c3e

Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar, speaking last month at an EU meeting in Sweden:

"It’s 18 months since the referendum,
it’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one.
Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they thought all this through."

< no shit, Sherlock ! >

UKIP former MEP warns of international Jewish threat ?

We've been there, don't want Nazi shits back again.

Prof. Godfrey Bloom‏ @goddersbloom

International Jewish bank recommends second vote & we should vote Remain. mmmmmmmmmmmm.

Russian bot - pretending to be Brit Brexiter - forgot to turn off twitter location ?

Re the voter profile, in addition to the (previously) under 18s now being able to vote , the fact of life is that many of the oldest (who were predominantly Leave) are quite literally dying without having to face the consequences of their vote

* Remain's lead over Leave in opinion polling will grow. Interesting debate on twitter this weekend about whether this is due to people changing their minds, or whether it's just those who did not vote in June 2016 now going overwhelmingly for Remain (of course some of these people who did not vote in 2016 were unable to due to being under 18 at the time - IIRC >80% of this group are Remain).

The elephant in the room is that it's the better part of 2 years since the referendum and campaign.

One thing I have noticed over the years is how incredibly attached people are to their notions of "ages". To the extent that (bad) business decisions get predicated upon them. One I have seen in my life, going back to 2003 was the wisdom that "nobody over 50 uses the internet, so there's no point being on it"

Fast forward to 2013, and that business never caught up.

I'm increasingly convinced that this is one of the reasons polling is so out of whack. People still think that pensioners now are the same as pensioners 40 years ago.

The Mumsnet app is possibly the second worst piece of commercial IT in existence (after the main mumsnet website).

I take it you've just graduated ?

He's a bit of a twat, is Godfrey.

He's not really a professor, just a "self appointed" one apparently

mobile.twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/942667033170399232

Iain Duncan Smith tells Brexit-sceptic UK companies to suck it up: “British businesses will have to learn to get by in a different world.”

So we've gone from Sunlit Uplands of glorious wealth and world-domination, to just getting by, for several decades of hardship, no doubt. Gosh, where do I sign up?

They've dropped any pretence of being the party of business in favour of being the party of thought-policing and cult worship.

I despair. "It might be a bit racist but it was really popular so it's fine!"

Bookmaker refuses to apologise after posting picture of blacked-up darts fan dressed as Diane Abbott

www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/darts-diane-abbott-tweet-blackface-alexandra-palace-pdc-world-championship-labour-a8114276.html

Exclusive: ‘We tweeted it and it has had an unprecedented response in terms of retweets and likes,’ bookmaker says

“British businesses will have to learn to get by in a different world.”

Judging by how fast they are leaving Britain, I think they've got the message.

Not necessarily a different world that's needed - just a different country

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
GOVT PLAN TO PACK LORDS: Tories already have 53 more peers than Labour, a far larger lead either than their share of the vote or their share of Commons seats justifies. So this is a straightforward bid to swamp Lords. So much for ‘parliamentary sovereignty’!

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/892888/Brexit-Theresa-May-House-of-Lords-loyalist-peers

This is similar to trump packing them judicial courts with lifetime appointments of ultra conservative judges (ill qualified in many cases)

I take it you've just graduated ?

If you mean graduated from the website to the app, no - website stopped working properly on my iPad about 6 months ago.

I would use MN a lot more if it was less clunky. I read this thread regularly but posting without a preview option is so annoying that I hardly bother.

He's a bit of a twat, is Godfrey.

He's a fascist. That Jewish bank thing is straight out of the neo-nazi playbook.

Yes that too

twitter.com/M_OToole/status/942735767738159104

It is a fair question. The DUP say they want no regulatory divergence, except where it would reveal funding sources. Esp. wrt Brexit.

So, regulatory divergence is perfectly acceptable to them. The sum is much larger than those being looked into elsewhere.

If you mean graduated from the website to the app

No ... if you think this is the worst software you have seen, then you must be quite young .

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you "SINTRAN" ... even now, I'm starting to shake.

"I am not sure that the religious fundamentalists have the same hold here as in the USA. Generally speaking we make less show of religion. "

That's what I thought - until my normally sensible, kindly neighbour handed me a pamphlet expressing those views. They're Baptists, but hardly the hellfire and brimstone type.

"Russian bot - pretending to be Brit Brexiter - forgot to turn off twitter location ?"

The Russians don't make that kind of mistake. They're experts in disinformation and misdirection.
If the location is there, I believe it's deliberate.

twitter.com/mauricerkelly/status/937997574664892417

This is a fun back and forth about the DUP's role wrt Brexit. JD saying they represent their constituencies rather than NI. Talks about his constituency and then UK. Misses the NI bit out. Only completely micro or macro.

Russia meddled on Twitter after UK terror attacks, study says

www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-42393540?__twitter_impression=true

Arj Singh
@singharj
Brexit war cabinet on future relationship ended without agreement, I understand. Brexiteers Johnson, Fox, Gove plus Williamson vocal on the need for divergence from EU rules. Hammond and Rudd said to favour closer alignment. Meeting lasted just over 90 mins, more planned in 2018.

Russian cyberwar against the UK ?

One of the UK's cyber-defence chiefs has accused Russia of having attacked Britain's media, telecommunications and energy sectors over the past year
Ciaran Martin, chief executive of GCHQ's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC): Russia was "seeking to undermine the international system".

The Times also published details of a new study into how Russia used Twitter to influence 2016's Brexit referendum:

156,000 Russia-based accounts - many of them automated bots - mentioned #Brexit in original posts or retweets around the time of the EU referendum

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41997262

So does anyone understand what May has just said? Are we staying in the SM and CU for the implementation period or not? And how does this square with us upholding the GFA?