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Westministenders: Money, money, money

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RedToothBrush · 22/11/2017 21:52

The big developments are that the government have signalled they are prepared to pay more and to involve the ECJ when it comes to citizens rights on condition that we move to talk of trade. But no apparent progress on NI. Which is significant with Ireland threatening to veto.

The EU has not changed its stance at all. Since Day 1.

There is always a worrying omission and lack of commitment to retain the Charter of Fundamental Rights. The bonfire begins.

Talk is of Green still going in a reshuffle, possibly with Gove replacing him as Deputy PM.

Coalition talks in Germany have broken down, and the British have got excited about it, whilst the German response have largely been a slight shrug.

Its been a much quieter week, despite the budget. Thank goodness. There are lots of outstanding issues that are lurking in the background like the Green one though.

The main message coming from the budget, has not been any new policy, but the dreadful economic forecast for the next few years.

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Peregrina · 26/11/2017 20:16

Well, history will probably include Anne Soubry in its condemnation, because she voted to trigger A50. The only Tory MP it won't be able to condemn is Ken Clarke.

SwedishEdith · 26/11/2017 20:19

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/government-pay-manchester-what-needs-13957113

Another Govt u-turn. Manchester attack money.

woman11017 · 26/11/2017 20:21

German insults are great, thanks BCF! How come the english have such an impoverished selection of anglo saxon misogyny when they abuse? Scottish, Irish, Scouse and Geordie insults are pretty good in comparison too.

I think I'd have to go with Rotzloffel. Brilliant.

mrsreynolds · 26/11/2017 20:26

Ugh!
Soubry...
I'm a lover, not a fighter 😁 But I would make an exception in her case 😡

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2017 20:30

Lovely to hear that Jo Cox has a street named after her in France
I hope they don't have to name any more streets after murdered Remainers

Is there a Uk street named after her, maybe in her constituency ?

woman11017 · 26/11/2017 21:12

Nope, BCF Sad

LurkingHusband · 26/11/2017 21:15

Nice tribute to Jo Cox in France.

If you start to think about it, I think English naming follows a different way ?

LurkingHusband · 26/11/2017 21:29

Wonder what caused Pierre-Etienne Flandin to fall from favour HmmSmile

HesterThrale · 26/11/2017 21:48

Is it this Tuesday the Brexit impact studies have to be released?

I don't see that turning out well, whether they're embarrassingly brief or very detailed in their criticism. I can't see another outcome.

OliviaD68 · 26/11/2017 22:15

@HesterThrale

If they are even produced.

Motheroffourdragons · 26/11/2017 22:20

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RedToothBrush · 26/11/2017 22:20

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Exc: Damian Green “offered to pay salary of DUP staff member from Tory party funds” after confidence and supply deal struck

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/damian-green-offered-to-pay-for-adviser-in-secret-dup-deal-p5spbzxfz
Damian Green offered to pay for adviser in secret DUP deal

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ElenaGreco123 · 26/11/2017 22:42

Thank you for all the great German expressions. Flowers

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2017 22:47

What the actual fuck

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/26/womens-lives-at-risk-funding-changes-refuges-charities
Women's lives at risk from changes to funding for refuges, say charities

In little-publicised proposals, the government plans to remove refuges and other forms of short-term supported housing from the welfare system.

It would mean vulnerable women fleeing abusive partners will not be able to pay for their accommodation using housing benefit, the last guaranteed source of income available to refuges. On average, housing benefit makes up 53% of refuge funding.

And

The reforms fly in the face of pledges made by the prime minister to make it a key personal priority to transform the way the UK tackles domestic violence.

Wow.

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Candog · 26/11/2017 22:52

Seems Pierre-Etienne was a politician in the Vichy government, and was therefore imprisoned for collaboration. Surprised he had a street named after him.

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2017 23:04

uk.businessinsider.com/karan-bilimoria-attacks-liam-fox-for-brexit-export-comments-2017-11
'Nobody has any respect for him' — Liam Fox suffers business backlash over export comments

A couple of days old. Is it just me who missed this?

One of Britain's best-known entrepreneurs has told Business Insider that Liam Fox is "utterly unfit" to be in office, after the International Trade Secretary accused British business of not putting in enough effort into exporting their products overseas.

Lord Bilimoria, best known as the co-founder of Cobra beer, was responding to Fox's claim that British businesses are making his job harder because they don't want to export their goods.

"I can agree as many trade agreements as I like, but if British business doesn't want to export, then that doesn't do us any good," Fox told House Magazine this week.

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mathanxiety · 27/11/2017 05:20

The DM article alleged link to Russian government interests consists of the fact that along with lots of other unsavoury chancers, the Chandlers made money in Yeltsin's Russia.

So, incidentally, did Declan Ganley (sponsor of Ireland's initial No vote to the Lisbon Treaty) by stripping virgin forest and selling it. He moved on to operate a Ponzi scheme in Albania whose collapse led to unrest in that country that claimed the lives of approx 2000 people. The registered offices of his Albanian scheme were the same as that of Paladin Capital, which featured as a member of the board James Woolsey, former head of the CIA. He now operates a telecom company, Rivada Networks, a US defence supplier, and threatens to sue anyone alleging he has a connection to the CIA.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo_Adriatic_Investment_Fund_SA
Funding
AAIF was officially funded by Ganley International,[3][8][8] with a 10%[8] stake taken by the US-based Rothschild Emerging Markets Fund.[8] Der Spiegel stated[11] that AAIF's UK office (128 Mount Street, London, W1Y 5HA[1]) shared an address with the European branch of US investment fund Paladin Capital, and also stated[11] that Paladin Capital's advisory board was chaired by former CIA director James Woolsey. Ganley denies any involvement with the CIA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivada_Networks
Rivada Networks is part of a joint venture with Port Graham Development Corporation called Rivada Port Graham Solutions. In April 2012, Rivada Port Graham Solutions was one of 30 prime contractors awarded a contract on the US Secret Service's $3 billion Tactical Communications (TACCOM) contract for the US Department of Homeland Security. Contractors received contracts in one or multiple technical categories, and each indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contract has a 2-year base and three 1-year options. Some of the technical categories on the contract include portable/mobile radios, control/base stations, software, upgrades, repeaters, routers, comparator systems, engineering, design, installations, maintenance, frequency managers, spectrum managers and test equipment

Current Board of Directors of Rivada Networks:
Declan Ganley, Founder and CEO
Michael P. Jackson
General Richard B. Myers
Peter Goldscheider
Field Marshal the Lord Charles Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank
Governor John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
George Foresman
Gabriela Lippe-Holst
Governor Martin O'Malley
Admiral James Loy
Don De Marino

Very well connected with civil and military establishment figures therefore.

mathanxiety · 27/11/2017 05:52

[[https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,580807,00.html] Der Spiegel on Declan Ganley:
^Ganley's company "Rivada" has its headquarters [in Tuam, Co, Galway], and founded by him and run a club called "Libertas". He only has a few members and, according to the statute, deals with "Europe's traditional values" such as "freedom, truth, justice, peace". In 2007, apparently nothing was going on, as the club has not taken a euro and spent a cent.
This year, however, it was completely different. Ganley and his "Libertas" club not only shocked the Irish government, but also hit Europe in a vulnerable spot. Because of the fact that on June 12, the majority of Irishmen surprisingly voted against the "Treaty of Lisbon", thereby blocking the reform of the EU, which has been painstakingly negotiated for years, Ganley and his club brothers played a decisive role.^

For "more than two million euros", as Ireland's European Minister Dick Roche estimates, thousands of placards were hung from street lamps and advertising pillars, newspaper ads and TV ads were broadcast and their message was hammered to the Irish: "Say no to the Lisbon Treaty" , Where did the losers of the referendum, the rulers in Dublin and the EU elite in Brussels, ask, did that bring a lot of money?

Bush consultant on the company board

Oh, says Ganley, only about 800,000 euros have been spent. Of this, 200,000 are a loan from him, the rest come from small donors. But many may not believe that anymore. In both Dublin and Brussels there is a suspicion that American security and military circles have sponsored the No campaign. If that proves true, green MEP Daniel Cohn-Bendit proves, "there are forces in the US that make people pay to destabilize a strong and independent Europe."

Many of his colleagues think so. Therefore, a working group of the European Parliament, together with the competent Irish authorities, should now find out where the money came from. If necessary, a reconnaissance force should travel to Washington and ask for it in Congress.

The French Minister of European Affairs and current EU Council President Jean-Pierre Jouyet also called for "full transparency" in the finances of the Ganley campaign. But it will not be so easy to find. Because the activities of the alleged billionaire are under a gray haze. The only thing is clear: He has best relations with the military-industrial superclass of the United States.

His company Rivada Networks, for example, sells state-of-the-art technical equipment with which combatant frontline soldiers can communicate in the backcountry. In addition to Ganley, two US admirals and a close advisor to US President George W. Bush sit on the board. Just recently, according to Dublin government circles, Ganley received a new $ 200 million "military order" from Washington.

Good relations with the CIA

Even the beginnings of a successful entrepreneur career are in the dark. The son of Irish guest workers in England stung peat 18 hours a day at the age of 13, "90 truckloads in one summer," he told himself in a television interview. At the age of 19, he came up with the idea of launching Russian research satellites with Russian rockets into space and lucratively insuring the whole thing. In other versions, he was rich in aluminum from Siberia or earned $ 100 million in selling a massive wood empire. No one knows if anything is right. It is only clear that he became a multimillionaire at an early age.

He apparently met many important people from the administration in Washington, Don De Marino, for example. He was responsible for the economic relations between the US and Saudi Arabia with the then President Ronald Reagan. Later, under President George Bush Senior, he moved to the Ministry of Commerce, 2004, he came to the Defense Department. In between, he was a director at Ganley's company.

A Ganley investment fund, the "Anglo-Adriatic Investment Fund," resides in London on Mount Street 128, where the European representation of US investment fund Paladin Capital also happens to be. And the chairman of his advisory board is a close friend of Ganley's, James Woolsey, ex-chief of US intelligence CIA.

Declan Ganley is also well-respected among the neo-conservative intellectuals in Washington. For example, when he appeared on July 15 at the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom hosted by the extremely conservative political foundation The Heritage Foundation, hostess Sally MacNamara said he was more "modern" in his Irish "no" vote on the EU treaty Peacekeeper "cheered.

Cohn-Bendit: "Enormous potential for interference"

That many US military and neocons are not interested in a Europe that could rise as a competitor on the world stage is well known. That money has flowed, does not prove that all. At most, it shows that they might not have to flow at all.

That does not make the concerns of many EU politicians before Ganley's already announced next prank not smaller. He wants to make the elections to the European Parliament in early June next year a propagandist referendum on the Lisbon Treaty throughout Europe. "Its potential for interference," not only the Green Cohn Bendit fears, could be enormous. Because he can count on the support of EU critics from different political directions.

Czech President Vaclav Klaus has already offered his help. In France, the national conservative "Mouvement pour la France" is close to him. In Sweden, the "June Lists" sympathize with him, in England the anti-EU bloc of the conservative party. Groups such as the "No to EU" movement in Estonia exist in most of the 27 countries, sometimes far right, sometimes far left in the political spectrum.

Majorities will not get them. But they will make a powerful mood against the "Superstate of Europe" - the more successful, the more money they can put into their advertising campaigns. No matter from which sources this is bubbling.

mathanxiety · 27/11/2017 06:14

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertas_Institute brief history of Libertas Institute here.

Wolf in sheep's clothing www.pressreader.com/ireland/sunday-independent-ireland/20120115/285151470324098 Libertas - very uncritical report here. I am not sure if this report is factual, but it is interesting.
Maybe no big surprise to see that Gove and Gisela Stuart allegedly hopped on board. Allegedly also, its patrons included Richard Perle (neo-conservative), William Kristol (neo-con), and James Woolsey (former CIA director and investment/government insider)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._James_Woolsey_Jr.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society The Henry Jackson Society, of which Woolsey is a patron.
Criticism
The think tank has been described by the media as having right-wing and neoconservative leanings, though it positions itself as non-partisan. In 2014, Nafeez Ahmed, an executive director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development, said that the Henry Jackson Society courts corporate, political power to advance a distinctly illiberal oil and gas agenda in the Middle East.

In 2009 the society became the secretariat of two all-party parliamentary groups (APPGs), for Transatlantic and International Security, chaired by Gisela Stuart, and for Homeland Security, chaired by Bernard Jenkin. A transparency requirement upon non-profit organisations acting as secretariat at that time was that they must reveal, on request, any corporate donors who gave £5,000 or more to the organisation over the past year or cease acting as a secretariat organisation. In 2014, following a query, the society refused to disclose this information and resigned its position as secretariat of the APPGs concerned in order to comply with the Rules. The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Kathryn Hudson, upheld a complaint against these APPGs on the grounds data had not been provided, but noted the society had already resigned its position and that the consequence of this non-provision therefore "appears to have taken effect" as the Rules intended. The case was therefore closed with no further action taken and the APPGs themselves dissolved with the dissolution of Parliament in March 2015. The APPG Rules were subsequently changed in March 2015 so that only those non-profit organisations providing services to APPGs of more than £12,500 in value needed to declare their corporate donors.

Think tank discussions on the Middle East and Islam have led some media organisations to criticise a perceived anti-Muslim agenda. Marko Attila Hoare, a former senior member, cited related reasons for leaving the think tank and Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy was urged, in 2015, to sever his links with the society.

According to the report published in 2015, "a right-wing politics is apparent not only in the ideas that the Henry Jackson Society promotes, but also emerges distinctly on examination of its funders.".

In 2017, the Henry Jackson Society was accused of running an anti-China propaganda campaign after the Japanese embassy gave them a monthly fee of 10,000 pounds.[32] The campaign was said to be aimed at planting Japan's concerns about China in British newspapers.

The initial signatories of the statement of principles included:

<span class="italic">Members of Parliament Michael Ancram, Michael Gove, Edward Vaizey, David Willetts, Denis MacShane, Fabian Hamilton, Gisela Stuart,</span>
<span class="italic">former MPs David Trimble, Jackie Lawrence, Greg Pope,</span>
<span class="italic">former soldier Tim Collins,</span>
<span class="italic">Sir Richard Dearlove – former head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, and formerly Master of Pembroke College, Cambridge – and the American economist Irwin Stelzer.</span>

International patrons included Richard Perle, William Kristol, former CIA Director R. James Woolsey Jr., and former President of Lithuania Vytautas Landsbergis

henryjacksonsociety.org/2009/02/10/a-vision-for-a-new-europe/ Speech to the Henry Jackson Society by Declan Ganley - Very much along the lines of "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears..."
'I come to praise the EU, not to bury it', to send Shakespeare spinning in his grave.

There are a good few familiar buzzwords here - 'unaccountable elites' for instance.

There is also this 'When the penny finally drops, scepticism and anti-Europeanism will become the majority view. Parties will not be able to resist the political entrepreneurial opportunity of running election campaigns on a solid withdrawal platform. And I’m not just talking about UKIP, I’m talking about mainstream political parties. Furthermore this trend will not be unique to the UK.'

I think Ganley's project was ultimately the destruction or dismemberment of the EU, despite his protestations.

mathanxiety · 27/11/2017 06:21

<a class="break-all" href="https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,580807,00.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,580807,00.html

Der Spiegel link again.

Italics fail on that post too Blush

mathanxiety · 27/11/2017 06:50

The irony of a multi millionaire addressing a group of rich and powerful people on the topic of 'unaccountable elites' and why they should club together to replace them seems to have been lost on Ganley.

woman11017 · 27/11/2017 07:00

What the actual fuck
Women's rights in work, as mothers, in refuge and divorce are fucked with brexit.
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MsHooliesCardigan · 27/11/2017 07:08

I remember feeling genuinely nauseous when Farage said in his victory speech that they had won ‘without a single bullet being fired’ and hoping to God that Jo Cox’s family weren’t watching.

woman11017 · 27/11/2017 07:15

Yep MrsHoolies Sad