Petition: Parliament's vote on the Brexit deal must include an option to remain in the EU

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205169

Tin hat on.

There might be riots but I'm afraid we might have riots anyway

Absolutely, I think we will have riots if Brexit is dropped, even if it is due to another referendum. Britain First, NF, BMP and similar groups will be straight out on the streets. I also predict an increase in race hate crimes just like after the 2016 referendum.

Do I think fear of these groups is a good reason to push ahead with Brexit? No.

I'm not so sure. Remember Farage's "Million Man March" (notice it's not "Million Person March")? Two BNP members turned up with a dog and that was about it.

I think we should be more worried about food riots should Brexit go ahead and we find not enough food on the shelves and the poor not being able to afford to feed their children.

Up to 49,000 signatures now.

50,000!

Half way.

61,000.

Ambles off feeling its all just such a big mess and wondering why Her Majesty's opposition is still languishing in the arena of the Unelectables.

102,000.

I guarantee that the response will be "F off" but couched in politer terms. We are leaving, we won't thwart the will of the people, blah, blah, blah.

Nice ... going well. Copy paste. Etc.

What a mess.

Parliament will debate this petition on 23 April 2018.

Grasping at straws a bit aren't we OP? It's so pathetic it doesn't even add fuel to the fire, at best all it will do is just add another tiny little bit to the stuff the UK part of the Brexit negotiations.

So you actually want to make sure you can fuck the UK up as much as you can because the Referendum result didn't give the same result as you voted for?

Seriously - if the educated, informed, intelligent and completely correct Remainers could just adjust their vision to suit the Brexit reality we have, it would be better for the UK.

But it almost seems that the Remainers are intent on stuffing up the UK as much as possible just to try and prove their "See....told you it would go pear-shaped" POV.

Rather than throwing your toys out of the pram, why don't you help make it better for the UK and not help the 25+ Countries that we are negotiating single-handedly with?

Yes if we all join hands and think of World Peace it will be ok.

Brexit may yet cause a civil war in UK.

Whatever side you are on it is divisive and polarising. That is not good for either side is it.

The EU is the easy target. But they have ace negotiators and they know their stuff. Unfortunately the UK side have shown their ineptitude from the get go. Very sad all this really. Showing us up for what we are, a nation of soundbytes and arrogance.

@HateIsNotGood

So now all the bad shit happening is the fault of Remain supporters?

Nothing would otherwise be going wrong then?

None of the inconsistencies of UKGOV would have transpired?

Irish border problem resolved?

No need to worry about aviation agreements?

Or WTO rules?

No - Bad Shit is always happening
Yes - things always go wrong
Inconsistencies - happening in all governments all the time
Irish Border Problem - the EU are making it a bigger problem by using it as a 'bargaining chip' - pre- EU the RoI and UK had 'special arrangements' and just before the Ref the EU were questioning these as being 'unfair' and against the EU principles, ergo this problem would have arisen anyway. GFA - not the result of the EU but because the USA, RoI, UK and the many people that reside in NI wanting stop the "Killing".

Aviation Agreements - have been in place well before the EU - only the 'compensation' for pax agreements may go awry. And maybe people may have to change their expectations on what their cheap flight can give when The Weather is in Control.

Next Question?

Inconsistent objectives don't just go away.

Let's drill down on a big one: Ireland. We can look at other issues in turn one by one.

Square the circle for me. Tell how the border will work.

Olivia.

Doesn't sound any way promising does it....

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/northern-ireland-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2017/ni-land-border-report-publication-17-19/

It's not possible to resolve unless NI stays in the SM and CU.

But as this has been rejected I'm waiting for a solution.

As is the Republic of Ireland. And the EU.

The notion this is being used as a bargaining chip is silly. It's not up for negotiation.

As is typical, after some bluster from a Leaver I ask a question which requires knowledge and detail.

And I get crickets back.

So my stated ideas are now "silly"? Ok - given that you won't take anything I say seriously, I'll still say it again:

Prior to Brexit even being an Idea for the UK Masses to decide upon the 'Special Arrangements' between the UK and RoI were being questioned by the EU.

GFA wasn't achieved because the RoI and UK were EU members, nor were the EU major players in reaching this Agreement.

Although The Troubles have ceased not all The Killing has so GFA is very tenuous. The EU should butt their noses out and not add fuel to the Fire; the EU Border between RoI and NI can be negotiated with 'special arrangements' to suit the 2 Countries concerned. The EU should stop insisting on a Hard, Our Way is the Only Way solution.

It is not academic, it is not a point that people should be inflexible about - innocent people used to regularly get killed on UK soil by UK people for this very reason. And still do.

Debate, criticize, shoot your shit and mouth off - but RoI/NI border question is to be approached with delicacy and a 'mindset' that puts compromise first.

So back to my question.

Describe how the border will work when NI is outside the SM and CU.

The UK Government has agreed to maintain the border as is.

And having taken the time to respond to you Olivia I'm also full of "bluster" and am giving you "crickets". Wtf does giving you crickets mean?

Actually, I won't be back as I've got other things I must do as I am sure you have too. If either of us were actually involved in negotiating this new border I might prioritize this discussion.

But neither of us are so Ta Ta for the now.

So the usual pattern.

Bluster from Leaver.

Remainer asks specific questions.

Leaver spouts more bluster.

Remainer repeats question.

Leaver slams the door and goes home.

About right?

The border between NI and ROI will not work unless NI remains in CU and SM.

Also, I don't think UK is ready or has plans for investment in tariff imposed trade on entry to UK ports either. Would I be correct?

If that is the case, what's the point of leaving.

But maybe a five year transition will sort it out. You know, reality will bite or something.

The EU will implode in the next ten years. Italians have just elected two euro-sceptic parties. Youth unemployment in Italy and Spain and many other countries is very high. People are not enamoured with the EU. Just what does it give the man on the street? Polls show that the countries which receive the most EU funding (ie poor Eastern European countries like Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) tend to favour the EU because they get the most out of it. Open borders encourage migratory work forces which keep wages permanently low and social problems balloon, with housing, hospitals, schools, services etc becoming stretched. Big businesses get rich on the backs of poorer workers who'll take anything. Who is happy? Fat cat bosses and faceless and nameless politicians and bureaucrats on that unaccountable gravy train. The EU desperately needs us and have to make it as hard as possible for us to break away. We are also one of the biggest economies and contribute much more than many other European countries. We will incorporate EU laws and rights into our system. I cannot wait for the day the ties are cut, like the MAJORITY of the British electorate. This petition is petty and juvenile. The PM has a mandate from the people and it's perhaps time Remainers looked at the state of the European mainland. Why are thousands from the continent flocking to our shores before we end our membership? Why do we have problems and hospitals and schools unable to cope and more and more people needing housing? Because the Labour government opened our doors and did not cap migrant numbers. I do not blame one single newcomer for wanting a better life, good luck to them, they are entitled to travel across EU countries, but open door immigration is irresponsible and dangerous too. No one benefits and we all get to suffer poorer services creaking under the strain of demand. Wages are kept artificially low. Multinationals benefit. It's a capitalists dream. There are so many reasons to get out of the EU. Look at the big countries which have lucrative trade deals in larger markets. Look at the state of the Euro. It's a shambles. I could go on.

Flossie,

I know you have made some important points, but without paragraphs, sorry I cannot wade through a wall of text.