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Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....

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Carolinesbeanies · 06/11/2017 10:03

So in the spirit of sharing our deluded brexiteer cheerfulness, heres a round up of some of this weeks good news.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5040279/UK-exports-booming-outside-Europe.html

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/london-news/big-boost-world-bank-ranks-uk-seventh-in-its-doing-business-report/18554.article

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/world-trade-makes-a-comeback-845798/amp

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-volkswagen/vw-explores-uk-banking-licence-ahead-of-brexit-idUKKBN1D22KR

The government have 'found' £60billion to put is a slush fund for brexit.

https://amp.ft.com/content/f3271ac7-7439-319f-ba90-9252f59aafee

And in the week that saw the interest rate rise, the Bank of England said gloomily "as migration tightens, we will see wage growth". Note the 'we will'. Smile

Excellent. All this whilst the media obsess over impotent politicians as Britain works.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 19:01

Soft tech border will do it, if trade if access to each other’s markets are agreed then this is fine, no one wants a hard border that destabilises GFA.

Who is paying for the soft tech border? How does it work?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 19:03

Why shouldn’t they want to partake in a grown up mutually beneficial trade arrangement?

They've been trying to, UK politicians have been blustering. EU made it clear they want to protect GFA.

themueslicamel · 16/11/2017 19:09

*Soft tech border will do it, if trade if access to each other’s markets are agreed then this is fine, no one wants a hard border that destabilises GFA.

Who is paying for the soft tech border? How does it work?*

Google it, loads online about it, it’s hardly new.

As for cost, fuck knows, can’t see this being a huge cost comparing the eye wateringly large numbers floating around Brexit.

CardinalSin · 16/11/2017 19:10

"Access" to each other's markets is Deadwood's solution?

He's not the sharpest tool in the draw, is he. Hmm

GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 19:16

Any sort of border threatens the GFA. Even if a "soft tech border" was implemented unlikely that unionists/nationalists would buy into it.

As for cost, fuck knows, can’t see this being a huge cost comparing the eye wateringly large numbers floating around Brexit.

Ah, EU membership was too expensive now we can use the savings to piss the money up a different wall. Hmm

themueslicamel · 16/11/2017 19:18

Access" to each other's markets is Deadwood's solution?

He's not the sharpest tool in the draw, is he.

Clearly you don’t know the man, sharp as a pin in person.

shhhfastasleep · 16/11/2017 19:30

Not sure the tone if the Brexit campaign lent itself to being a grown up. A tantrumming toddler, maybe.

Carolinesbeanies · 16/11/2017 19:31

"It does? How do you propose to check people crossing from RoI to NI?"

I dont know how many times this has to be explained to you Ghost, maybe one day itll sink in. The CTA overides any and all EU treaties. The CTA was, for want of a better word, 'excluded' from the EU treaties. The EU have no powers whatsoever to enforce 'people' control in any part of the CTA area.

Secondly, what on earth do you think a 'people' border would be there to do? 400 million EU citizens, taking the long route via Dublin to dash across the 'border' and seek sanctuary in the UK? They can potter across the channel at will, on their jolly day trips, holidays or whatever, and merely overstay if they felt minded to.

Currently the Irish control ALL entrants into the UK at their borders (as per the CTA agreements) and the UK control ALL entrants into Ireland at their borders. (as per the CTA) It works just fine.

Be cheery. 'People' arent and have never been the issue.

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Carolinesbeanies · 16/11/2017 19:38

What a fab lunch muesli, at such a memorable moment in history. A story for the grandchildren Smile

A cheery reposte amused me this evening.

"Dominic Grieve: "I don't know how long it's going to replace all these laws five years, ten years, 20 years, 30 years"

Considering Ireland took 90 years to replace all its UK Law and managed perfectly happily in the interim. All that matters is that the laws continue to apply within the context of a UK outside the EU so Dominic Grieve is rather overstating the issue." Grin

Some cheery stuff today.

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2017/11/15/Continued-growth-predicted-for-the-food-service-management-sector-despite-Brexit-fears

Cheery to read another Chief Exec embracing the 'opportunities'.

https://www.farminguk.com/News/Scottish-red-meat-industry-well-positioned-for-strong-future-despite-Brexit_47919.html

The Manufacturer, picking up the fact gloomy forecasts arent telling the story.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/forecasts-may-be-gloomy-but-uk-manufacturing-stays-positive/

Another Judge strikes back. Not sure why he mentions the British Foreign Office, as though we have any say or standing in EULEX, but hits my cheery scale on two fronts, because of it. The British FO will indeed regain its 'international standing' within the EU post brexit, and after last weeks Judge from the ECJ standing up, courage appears to be spreading. Cheery indeed.

https://www.politico.eu/article/judge-quits-eu-kosovo-mission-alleging-corruption/amp/

A couple of cheery folk round the regions today

In Daventry

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/major-job-creating-retail-park-earmarked-for-northants

and manchester

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/work-begins-major-scheme-drive-13903340

but this one, has made my day. Its little. Its Wigan. Its a roller rink and Its not going to hit our GDP. But 42 families in Wigan are going to have a better christmas than expected. I do hope its a sign that confidence is filtering through the regions and facilities like this are so much more than P&Ls.

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/42-jobs-saved-in-leisure-company-rescue

A little glum news, but important to remind ourselves we are fighting hard for what we're achieving. French unemployment goes up stats published today reveal.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1DG0LS

Oh And Lawyers for Britain raised a reasonable point on a crowdfunding issue.....Smile

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 19:40

The EU have no powers whatsoever to enforce 'people' control in any part of the CTA area.

If you want to control your borders, you'll err, need a border!

They can potter across the channel at will, on their jolly day trips, holidays or whatever, and merely overstay if they felt minded to.

Yep, and you might even find one or two leavers who have a problem with that.

Currently the Irish control ALL entrants into the UK at their borders (as per the CTA agreements) and the UK control ALL entrants into Ireland at their borders. (as per the CTA) It works just fine.

Caroline, Ireland will continue to an EU member. The UK won't. See the problem? The CTA can still exist but someone will need to control non UK/Irish folk crossing between RoI/NI. What happens at Dublin or Shannon is irrelevant.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/11/2017 19:44

It does? How do you propose to check people crossing from RoI to NI?

Why would we need to?
Confused

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/11/2017 19:46

EU made it clear they want to protect GFA.

Did they?

How does their only suggestion re NI square with that?

shhhfastasleep · 16/11/2017 19:47

“[Ireland] managed perfectly happily in the interim”.
So naive.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/11/2017 19:47

He's not the sharpest tool in the draw, is he.

Lol @ someone who can’t spell, casting aspersions on another’s cognitive credentials 🤣🤣

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/11/2017 19:52

The CTA can still exist but someone will need to control non UK/Irish folk crossing between RoI/NI.

Why are you so disproportionately obsessed with all these hordes of (your entirely imaginary) immigrants?

Weird.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 19:57

Why are you so disproportionately obsessed with all these hordes of (your entirely imaginary) immigrants?

Is this satire? It must be because immigration didn't feature at all as part of the Brexit campaign did it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poster-nigel-farage-eu-referendum-live-latest-vote-leave-remain-a7095236.html

abilockhart · 16/11/2017 20:00

There is plenty to be glum about.

But then again wealthy Brexiteers don't need to concern themselves about any of the following.

NHS waiting lists are the highest in more than a decade:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4974442/Surgery-waiting-lists-highest-level-decade.html

Food prices are soaring:

www.ft.com/content/84807466-c91d-11e7-ab18-7a9fb7d6163e

Wages are squeezed by inflation; fewer people are working:

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-employment-falls-by-most-since-2015-as-brexit-nears-idUKKBN1DF16Z

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-15/u-k-labor-market-shows-signs-of-slowing-as-employment-falls

GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 20:05

But then again wealthy Brexiteers don't need to concern themselves about any of the following.

What like John Redwood? he's abit of a hero round theses parts.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/13/labour-accuses-john-redwood-of-talking-britain-down

themueslicamel · 16/11/2017 20:07

Thanks Carolines

Interesting times agreed but meetings like today with people like John are regular occurrences in my line of work.

I will certainly see John on a regular basis!

Another smart cookie with a great eye on the money is a German chap I know called Lothar Mentel, and he makes some very wise political observations on the back of it.

You can often find him if the financial programs or YouTube if you are interested.

Carolinesbeanies · 16/11/2017 20:09

"The CTA can still exist but someone will need to control non UK/Irish folk crossing between RoI/NI. What happens at Dublin or Shannon is irrelevant."

No they dont. And yes it is.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 16/11/2017 20:11

Caroline, you comments about border control completely contradict key tenets of the leave campaign e.g controlling borders.

Carolinesbeanies · 16/11/2017 20:14

'John...' GrinGrinGrinGrin I love it ! Im likeing lots of Germans at the moment. Luckily for politicians and journalists, theres plenty of smart people in the world, keeping it turning.

Raised a smile over Alex Salmond today, cheerily appearing on Russia Today (Im allowed to call it that now due to the reversal of re-branding ) but I gather JC has been flagged up on several Unis 'spot the russian' radar also. I gather any 'pro-russia' sentiment and/or poor english, sets an alarm off in the canteen.....

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CardinalSin · 16/11/2017 20:19

Oh dear Faith. If someone who mistypes "drawer" can out think him, he really must be a bit thick.

I could go and point out your grammatical errors, but maybe I'm not quite as childish as some Brexiteers...

Carolinesbeanies · 16/11/2017 20:22

Ghost, (just because Im cheery, and patient) no one ever said or campaigned that we need Brexit to keep out the Irish. Ever. Especially as they have special rights anyway in the UK that we all support.

Youre making a very feeble attempt to conflate the issues raised surrounding 400million EU citizens having the right to work, live, claim benefits and healthcare in the UK under FOM, with the long standing rights of Irish citizens. Its poor, unfounded, and something we expect from Verhofstadt and Junker.

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