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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/11/2017 09:02

Thanks as always Red

Lico · 06/11/2017 09:25

Subject: Latest from the3million | 500 days of being treated like bargaining chips
Reply-To: Nicolas Hatton (the3million)

500 days ago, the British Government refused to guarantee our rights after the UK voted to leave the UK. We have been in limbo ever since

500 Days of being treated like bargaining chips
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Dear fellow EU citizen,

500 days ago, the British Government refused to guarantee my rights after the UK voted to leave the EU. Like you, I have been in limbo ever since.

Over the months, I have been called a bargaining chip, a brave soul or negotiating capital by those who are in Government. This is simply unacceptable when reported hate crimes have gone up by 29% since the referendum. This Government has maintained an uncertainty which is morally wrong and sadly so damaging to the mental health of many EU citizens I've met since 24 June 2016.

I don't expect empathy since very little is shown even to people who have fled war zones or genocides but decency and fairness should have dictated a better course of action at the top.

Of course, this does not apply to the vast majority of British people of all political denomination who have shown support and expressed regrets that this Government hasn't provided a basic guarantee which would have sent a strong message to society at large and stood up to the xenophobes.

So what now?

The good news is that the British Government is not deciding our future on its own and how we will live our lives will depend on the quality of the deal between them and the EU. And this is also true for our British friends in Europe.

As a reader of these newsletters, you will know that the3million is directly engaged in conversations with DExEU, the Home Office and the European Commission and we have produced an alternative proposal to settled status which would provide a solution that would work for all of us and satisfy both parties. We are presenting it to Michel Barnier on 13 November and hopefully David David shortly afterwards to show them what good looks like.

What can I do about it?

To mark this depressing landmark (500 days in limbo), may I ask you to write to your MP, to your MEP or/and to the Lords and Baronesses you may know and tell them how you feel in the simplest way possible.

As you do this, share our alternative proposal at www.the3million.org.uk/publications and tell them to put #peopleB4politics.

the3million.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c20dec826b5110f3a7f5e9bc&id=18baa504c1&e=bb7e8f8777
the3million team last Friday. Click on the picture if you wish to get involved.

They might ask you questions or say the settled status proposal will give us protection. It's bullshit (excuse my French!) and you might want to tell why.

Why do we reject the UK Government's proposed 'settled status'?
The proposed 'settled status' is based on UK Immigration Law, which is the legal framework for the Home Office’s ‘hostile environment’ towards third country nationals.
So instead of creating protection, the proposed settled status removes our existing rights and brings us within the scope of the hostile environment:

  • For us citizens, we would need to agree to a mandatory criminal and conduct check. We are not criminals guys! We are your colleagues in your hospitals, in your hotels, in your restaurant, in your farms, in your universities etc...
  • It would increase the current level of uncertainty, due to the arbitrary powers given to the Home Office in rejecting applications. Knowing they operate within a 10% error margin (that's 300,000 people out of the 3 million), this leaves us with no protection against erroneous refusals which could lead to deportations.
  • The consequences of a refusal could be catastrophic: the Home Office can demand that our employer terminates our employment, that our landlord evict us, that banks freeze our assets, that we lose access to healthcare and be removed from the country.
  • We don't know any details about the appeal process. If it is similar to the one in place for third party nationals, this could mean no legal aid and no right of appeal in the country. How many families would be torn apart and how many tens of thousands of Skype children would this create?

What about our rights?
Same rights? Not quite!

  • Settled status gives EU citizens reduced rights, removing our ability to build families with other EU or third country nationals. It would also make it much more difficult for a British citizen currently living in the EU to return to Britain after Brexit with an EU spouse. This would affect British soldiers based in Europe who fall in love with a European partners for example.
  • EU citizens with Permanent Residence would also lose their status despite the effort and the time (and the lawyer's fee for some) they had spent to get through the Home Office's red tape.
  • To make things worse, the British Government is refusing to guarantee their own proposal over our lifetime by taking away the jurisdiction of the ECJ which would ensure the Home Office is kept in check now and for decades.

So thank you for the proposal but no thanks.

the3million.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c20dec826b5110f3a7f5e9bc&id=b54b7c1f1b&e=bb7e8f8777

What's the alternative?

Instead, our team of lawyers has worked on an alternative proposal based on the current Permanent Residence legislation to allow all 3 million EU citizens currently living in the UK to continue with their lives without disruption.

Our counter proposal is:

  • A simple application process with you local Council, with just one form of ID and proof of residence (Council tax bill, utility bill etc).
  • No additional Comprehensive Sickness Insurance as the European Union had said this is covered by the NHS in the UK.
  • A grace period to allow everyone to register their right to stay. During this period (which should last as long as it takes to give a chance for all EU citizens to register), EU citizens will only need to show ID to access healthcare or prove their entitlement to employment.
  • If there is a problem with the application, you would still have access to healthcare or entitled to be employed until your appeal is completed.

Unlike settled status, our proposal aims at securing a safe future for all EU citizens and their families after Brexit without the risk of deportation.

  • It will maintain our existing rights as they are and implement a fairer registration system which won’t penalise vulnerable citizens, such as the elderly, carers or people who have been trafficked into this country.
  • All within a new legal framework which cannot be changed by future Government or misinterpreted by the Home Office.

The full proposal is available at www.the3million.org.uk/publications

It might have been 500 days but still, we are not bargaining chips. We are people and this is our home. Share the love!

European regards,

Nicolas

Nicolas Hatton is the co-chair of the3million (the3million.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c20dec826b5110f3a7f5e9bc&id=5f412c9fd3&e=bb7e8f8777) , the EU citizens' group.

RhiannonOHara · 06/11/2017 09:34

Just marking place. Thanks Red.

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 10:38

Lico thank you for that. The 3 million is a big part of why I am going to keep going with this malarkey.
Boris Johnson's recent comments could actively endanger wrongly imprisoned British mum Nazanin, who is up for new trial in a few days:

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
LurkingHusband · 06/11/2017 10:50

may I ask you to write to your MP,

May as well fart into a hurricane with mine. Total radio silence about Brexit.

Anything else, and they couldn't be more active. I'm getting loads of notifications from "They Work for You".

I have 3 emails still outstanding about Brexit. but all others were replied to in days.

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 10:52

Media studies could have saved us from this?:

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 10:55

Laura Kuenssberg‏*@bbclaurak*

May -‘what has been revealed has been deeply troubling - women and men should be able to work free of fear of harassment or bullying’
May ‘we need to establish a new culture of respect at the heart of our public life’
May ‘this isn’t about prying into private lives - this is about the abuse of power’ - ‘now is the time to act decisively’
May on tax avoidance - ‘we have seen more revenues coming to HMRC since 2010’ - from cracking down tax loopholes
May doesn’t commit to forcing biz into more transparency or public inquiry into tax avoidance
PM doesn’t quite clearly answer my Q on whether she had heard concerns about harassment before last couple of weeks
PM says a ‘number of issues’ raised with her that haven’t been in press

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41857807
Tory rape claims 'ignored by Commons'
Amanda - whose name has been changed to protect the identity of both parties - says she was raped by someone who worked for a Conservative MP.

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woman11017 · 06/11/2017 11:05

May's answer on science
@mattholehouse
May completely floored by simple q: what are her top scientific priorities? Laughs: “i normally say I’ll write to hon gent afterwards.”

@IanDunt

"No reference" to disabled people in consultation on Britain's economic future

In the days of Mary Warnock's work on people with disabilities in education it was pointed out that very few people make it through life without becoming disabled at some point.

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 11:06

Looks a bit law breaky again, Teresa.
@EUlondonrep
The landlord, future employer or bank should not request proof of permanent residency as this may be discriminatory.

LurkingHusband · 06/11/2017 11:15

"No reference" to disabled people in consultation on Britain's economic future

Quite right too. Bloody spongers every one of them. Just wait until we quietly repeal the DDA and start up Freak Show TV ... would align nicely with that other channel we'll let Murdoch run: FUTV.

lalalonglegs · 06/11/2017 11:19

Angry @ Boris Johnson, that poor woman and her family.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 11:43

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Tory chatter: Amber Rudd could take over as First Secretary of State while remaining home secretary if Green has to go
Although I think allies of Damian Green have an aspiration that the inquiry could be concluded by as early as the end of today

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2017 12:07

Bungling Boris
His big flapping mouth has endangered Nazanin AngryAngry

prettybird · 06/11/2017 12:19

His "blustering joviality" endangers lives Angry He's an intelligent man, so can't or shouldn't claim ineptitude. Angry There are two options: either he is doing it deliberately or he really is that inept. Angry

It. Is. Not. Funny. Angry

lalalonglegs · 06/11/2017 13:13

I'm torn about whether Johnson was deliberately causing trouble or is inept. At first, it seems that he doesn't gain anything by implicating Nazanin in pro-democracy activities. Otoh, there is a bit of a dog whistle going on: all those supposedly "innocent" detainees we hear about - they're not quite as innocent as you want to believe, what did she expect etc etc. It would make a lazy Foreign Secretary very happy to be able to brush off and walk away as many of these delicate diplomatic crises as possible Hmm.

mathanxiety · 06/11/2017 13:26

Or he is a sociopath.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 13:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/06/exclusive-lib-dem-women-accuse-vince-cable-hypocrisy-party-hushes/
Exclusive: Lib Dem women accuse Vince Cable of hypocrisy after party 'hushes up' alleged sexual assault

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 13:50

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/losing-passporting-rights-could-hurt-trade-deal-with-us-jbbcn8kq6
Losing passporting rights could hurt US trade deal
Wilbur Ross: Losing EU passporting rights could hurt trade deal with US

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously.

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LurkingHusband · 06/11/2017 14:02

Losing passporting rights could hurt US trade deal

(Yet another) stick the EU27 have to beat the UK with. If only we'd been warned.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:03

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/paradise-papers-tax-haven-blacklist-eu-finance-ministers-discussion-latest-offshore-investment-a8040086.html?amp
Paradise Papers: EU finance ministers to discuss blacklist of tax havens this week after leaks

Criteria to define a tax haven vary greatly among EU states and some of them include no jurisdictions in their national blacklists

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:17

Marcus Leroux @ marcusleroux
US commerce sec Wilbur Ross: “we want to be your No1 trading partner worldwide. We can make this happen because of our shared interests.”
Which will be news to Liam Fox who says the US already is.
Ross calls for the UK to drop RU trade barriers including the “limited role of science in assessing risk in sanitary.. matters”. #chlorine

Allie Hogkins-Brown @alliehbnews
In a statement, Ms Patel apologised for failing to follow the usual procedures & inform the Foreign Office of her plans - via @BBCJLandale

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Er on Friday she said Boris was aware of it?

Allie Hogkins-Brown @alliehbnews
She also apologised for her remarks on Friday which suggested the Foreign Sec Boris Johnson, knew in advance of the visit when he did not

James Langdale @ BBCJLangdale
Breaking: BBC told that @patel4witham met Israeli Prime Minister Benjaming @netanyahu while on holiday to Israel without telling FCO

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Did Priti Patel attempt to lie on Friday and has been caught out? That’s the impression. See “clarification of remarks to Guardian”
Obviously Theresa May too weak to take action
So far today:

Boris
Priti
Damian

Anyone else?
Use of civil service to brief on Patel story is dodgy, no? Trip was private. So why are officials releasing statements?

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:20

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/markdistefano/these-sean-hannity-and-tucker-carlsons-fox-news-segments
These Sean Hannity And Tucker Carlson's Fox News Segments Didn't Meet British Broadcasting Standards
The media regulator found some coverage on Fox News, which is no longer broadcast in Britain, was too "impartial".

The media regulator has found segments from Fox News primetime hosts Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, which included the network's coverage of the Manchester terrorist attack, were not suitable for British television.

The decision comes at a delicate time for the Murdoch media empire as regulators continue to consider whether to allow the 20th Century Fox takeover bid for pay-TV network Sky.

Sky dropped Fox News from its pay-TV service in August, with some analysts suggesting it was pre-emptive decision from Fox to make sure its controversial US news network didn't jeopardise the £11 billion deal.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:26

Jason Beattie @ JBeattieMirror
Priti Patel attended 12 meetings and engagements in Israel, including with one with Bibi, but no officials were present and no minutes kept?

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:33

Kevin Maguire @ kevin_maguire
So Cabinet Minister Priti Patel on her Israeli "holiday" squeezed in 12 secretive engagements including PM Benjamin Netanyahu...

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 14:39

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Priti Patel admits commissioning work as a result of her meetings in Israel. All together: breach of ministerial code?

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