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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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woman11017 · 05/11/2017 21:18

Conservative MP Chris Pincher has referred himself to the police after he accused of making an unwanted pass at former Olympic rower and Conservative activist Alex Story while dressed in a bathrobe.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-whip-chris-pincher-alex-story-olympic-rower-bathrobe-pound-shop-harvey-weinstein-a8039216.html

This is all so f*ing embarrassing. It's like a 'Carry On' coup.

OlennasWimple · 05/11/2017 21:24

Peregrina - fair enough! (re the Lords / domicile stuff)

Quentin - agreed, porn shouldn't be in any work place.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2017 21:28

Even legal porn on work machines is a sacking offence in any firm where I've worked.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2017 21:37

These MPs must have thought they were fireproof.
Some allegations of blatant harassment in front of witnesses like other MPs

If this guardian report is true, it looks like pimping and attempted coercion by Daniel Kawczynski:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/05/conservative-mp-dan-poulter-investigated-by-party-over-allegations

The investigation to Kawczynski follows claims by Channel 4 News
that the MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham sought to pressure a female researcher of another Tory MP to go on a date with a wealthy friend, who had seen her in parliament.

Eleanor Laing, the MP for whom the woman worked, has released a statement saying
she was “very angry at this inappropriate behaviour and I strongly reprimanded my colleague in front of several witnesses”.

BlessedBeTheFruit · 05/11/2017 21:55

Yes BigChoc I posted on another thread about Eleanor Laing. She said it's up to the older generation of women to support younger women in order to achieve cultural change (or similar). Which is a breath of fresh air after Edwina and Anne Robinson etc.

pointythings · 05/11/2017 21:59

Yep, porn is an instant sackable offence where I work (NHS). As it should be.

Not sure about banning it altogether though - where do you draw the line? I don't watch it, can't imagine it being at all appealing, but I don't mind reading well written smut - should it still be banned if it's fictitious characters on a page, no images?

And thanks for the new thread, RTB.

prettybird · 05/11/2017 22:11

Don't even know where to start Shock but a place mat king is a good start Wink

Brilliant summary Red - so many different Shock stories that if this were pitched to a publisher or film/TV company, it would be reflected as implausible. Confused

Yet we are forced to live it Sad

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:15

Quotes from Handsard on the Sanctions and Money Laundering Bill

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon (Con) bringing the bill
In some of the meetings that we have held, engagement with noble Lords suggested that the current requirements of the fourth EU money laundering directive should be included in the Bill, and therefore capable of being amended only through primary legislation. I have listened to the discussions we had very carefully but it remains our view that this would dramatically increase the size of the Bill, adding more than 100 new clauses, and would not reflect the rapidly evolving nature of anti-money laundering policy. As many noble Lords will know, the EU is already in the process of amending the fourth money laundering directive, in spite of it being transposed only earlier this year.

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)
The fourth money laundering directive is clear on issues of proportionality and other guidance around the nature of things that should be covered in risk assessments and supervisory behaviour, such as record-keeping. The 2017 regulations add further detail relevant to the UK, but I am not sure they are quite so hot on proportionality. In future, though, under Clause 41 of today’s Bill, we are to get the regulatory imposition of anything that the Minister of the day might fancy in the name of money laundering or terrorist financing, which, as I have said, are defined very broadly. It is a very strange way to take back control if instead of transposing EU legislation—which, whether or not you care for the system, has a full parliamentary process—we replace it with the omnibus rubber-stamping of standards from the Financial Action Task Force, which has no such scrutiny or accountability, and simultaneously paves the way for the exercise of generic powers and the creation of unspecified criminal offences, all by regulation.

We know what happens with regulations. A good example on this very subject comes up next Monday concerning the transposition of the fourth money laundering directive. There is to be a regret Motion, not least because the instrument was laid with three days’ notice. How much regret can we tolerate? It gets worse if there is a rejection because it results in threats to the existence of this House. Switching to an affirmative procedure does not make any difference in that regard, even if it is a bit more respectful.

Schedule 2 gives some 27 wide regulatory powers to amend all the administrative topics that are in the 2017 regulation, and it is far from clear what safeguards will continue. I have called them topics because that is what they are; they are headings. There are no checks and balances, no mention of proportionality, no policy relating to the type of risk factors to cover, all kinds of yet-to-be-prescribed measures against yet-to-be-prescribed customers, and no indications regarding the use of information and data by supervisors or the need for supervisors to keep proper records. I could go on. It may be a technical Bill but I am afraid that power without policy is a very dangerous instrument.

The Government may have wanted to keep the schedule to three pages but there is a reason why the fourth money laundering directive is longer: it contains balance because it had to stand up to proper parliamentary scrutiny.

Lord Hain (Lab)
There have been no criminal prosecutions for money laundering of financial institutions, and very few of other “enablers” such as lawyers and accountants. There have been regulatory fines, but it is not clear that these are enough to deter banks and other financial players from making their anti-money laundering compliance regimes a tick-box exercise rather than a meaningful one. This Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill enables the Government to introduce regulations that would create new civil penalties and criminal offences for money laundering, but the threshold for the latter is low—a maximum three-month sentence for a criminal conviction.

As the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, mentioned, using such powers to enable the Government to introduce criminal offences by regulation is against parliamentary convention. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, also referred to this matter with his expertise. Surely it would be better for the Government to accept or introduce an amendment to the Bill to introduce a “failure to prevent” money laundering offence, like that in the Bribery Act and as there now is for tax evasion, which would ensure that such an offence was introduced by primary legislation.

and

I had delivered by hand last night to the Chancellor printouts of transactions and named the British bank concerned, and I asked that he again refer these to the Serious Fraud Office, the National Crime Agency and the Financial Conduct Authority for investigation. This information shows illegal transfers of funds from South Africa made by the Gupta family over the last few years from their South African accounts to accounts held in Dubai and Hong Kong. The last columns of each sheet, now in the Treasury, show the relevant banks involved, and the records show all account numbers used. Many of the transactions are legitimate, but many certainly are not.

The latter illicit transactions were flagged internally in the bank concerned as suspicious, but I am reliably informed that it was told by the UK headquarters to ignore it. That is an iniquitous breach of legal banking practice in the UK, which I trust Ministers would never countenance, and it is also an incitement to money laundering, which has self-evidently occurred in this case, sanctioned by a British bank, as part of the flagrant robbery from South African taxpayers of many millions of pounds and many billions of their local currency, the rand.

Each originating transaction would start with one bank account and then be split into a number of accounts a couple of times to disguise the origin. Undoubtedly, hard questions will need to be asked of the facilitating banks, because they have aided and abetted the Gupta money laundering activities. Can the Chancellor please ensure that such evident money laundering and illegality is not tolerated and that the bank is investigated for possible criminal complicity in this matter? Urgent action is needed to close down this network of corruption.

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:15

Lord Pannick (CB)
My Lords, the Minister said in his opening remarks that this is a “technical Bill”. However, it raises a number of constitutional issues and concerns which flow from the fact that the imposition of sanctions on an individual has a very adverse impact on the person designated, as the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighead, rightly said. The noble and learned Lord mentioned to Supreme Court case of Ahmed, in which he was a member of the Appellate Committee. He rightly said in that case that an order freezing the assets of an individual makes such persons,

“effectively prisoners of the state”.

He added that these orders are,

“intrusive to a high degree”,

and have an adverse effect on not just the individual but members of their family.

My first concern is that the Bill states, at Clause 10(2)(b) and Clause 11(2)(b), that if there are “reasonable grounds to suspect”, then the question for the Minister is whether it is “appropriate” to designate. The current legal test applied by the courts here and in the Court of Justice in Luxembourg, in part by reference to the European Convention on Human Rights, is to ask whether designation is proportionate in all the circumstances, including the impact on the individual. Can the Minister say whether the Government accept that a proportionality test will continue to be applied under the Bill? If so, will the Government accept that it would be highly desirable for this to be stated in the Bill?

My second concern is that Clause 11 allows for designation of persons by description. Currently, EU law requires that persons or entities must be expressly named if sanctions are to be applied. That is for a very good, practical reason. For a person to be designated other than by reference to their name will inevitably cause uncertainty not just for the persons concerned but for those who have to apply these provisions, in particular banks required to freeze the assets of persons who are designated. Will the Minister comment on these problems which will inevitably arise if persons are designated by description?

My third concern is that Clause 2(1) will allow for financial sanctions to be imposed not just on designated persons but also on persons,

“connected with a prescribed country”.

Clause 50(4) will allow the Minister to make regulations specifying the relevant connection. Can the Minister explain why sanctions should be imposed on a person simply because they are connected to a specified country as opposed to misconduct by that person or their personal responsibility for the decisions of a repressive regime or a regime which otherwise justifies a sanctions border?

My fourth concern is procedural fairness. I think the Minister accepted in his helpful opening remarks that one of the vital safeguards in this context is the right of the individual to know the case against them and to have the opportunity to answer it. The European Court of Justice has recognised that procedural rights are vital to the integrity of any sanctions regime. The Minister said that the Bill contains “robust” provisions to protect procedural rights. In fact, the Bill contains very little indeed on the subject of procedural fairness. I well understand that a person cannot be told anything before listing occurs, as there will be too great a risk that funds may be dissipated, but once listing has occurred, the individual must have a right to be told why listing is taking place and by reference to what evidence so that he or she has a fair opportunity to respond—subject, of course, as the Minister mentioned, to retention by the state of security-sensitive details, but even then the individual must be told the essence of the case against him or her, as the case law requires.

It is striking that this Bill does not include any provisions setting out such a basic requirement of fairness at the stage after a designation order is made—neither a detailed code nor even a statement of principle to be developed in secondary legislation. There is only a requirement of disclosure if and when a case comes to court; that is, Clause 34(1), which refers to Sections 66 to 68 of the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 and which incorporates the special advocate procedure for sensitive material. Even then, there is no recognition that individuals must be told the essence of the case against them.

I would like to see a duty to disclose at the earlier stage; that is, when or soon after the designation is made. The reason why it is essential that the individual is told at least the essence of the case against them at the designation stage is that you cannot start court proceedings under Clause 32(1)(d), read with Clause 33(5), until you have sought a review by the Minister and received a decision on that review from the Minister. That may take months—one hopes that it will be speedier than that, but, being realistic, it is bound to take time. There are no requirements on Ministers as to the timetable for conducting reviews. Unless you know the case against you, it is impossible effectively to present your arguments on the review. It is important to have clarity in this area on the face of the Bill, otherwise there will inevitably be litigation—and that litigation will lead to the courts imposing a duty to follow a fair procedure, which is my fourth concern.

My fifth concern about the Bill is in relation to the periodic review provisions in Clause 20. The appropriate Minister is required to consider any designation of a person every three years. That is far too long a period given the gravity of the consequences of listing a person. In the EU system, the periodic review sometimes occurs every six months, but in all such cases it must occur at least every year. It is true that the listed person can themselves seek a review under Clause 19, but, under Clause 19(2), once such a request has been made,

“no further request may be made … unless … there is a significant matter … not previously … considered”.

There will be cases where although there is no significant new material, the very fact of the passage of time may justify looking again at whether a listing is really appropriate. The three-year period is especially troubling because, as I said, you cannot start court proceedings until you have sought a review by the Minister and received a decision on that review. Will the Minister say why the review period of one year at the most in Europe is being increased to three years, and will he please reconsider the point?

My sixth concern is that the Bill would remove effective remedies for persons listed in the UK in order to implement a UN designation. The current position under EU law is that it is contrary to the rule of law for a UN listing to be implemented without procedural safeguards—that is, supporting evidence, effective judicial review, and the European court has the power to quash an order if it is not proportionate. Under the Bill, Clause 21(2) and (4), the individual would only have a right to request the Secretary of State to use his or her best endeavours to take the matter up at the UN to remove the person’s name. There is a right under Clause 32(1)(c) to seek a court review of the Minister’s decision not to use best endeavours. Can the Minister confirm that I have correctly understood that the intention of the Bill is to deprive the individual on the UN list of the rights that he or she currently has under EU law to obtain from the court, in appropriate cases, a quashing of a listing that derives from the UN?

If that is so, the individual designated in this country as a result of being placed on a UN sanctions list will have much less legal protection than a person who is listed in France or Germany as a result of being placed on the same UN sanctions list. The Minister said in his opening remarks, and he is right, that this country has an international law obligation to implement a UN listing. But can he confirm that, nevertheless, the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg requires the rule of law to be satisfied and has a power to give effective judicial remedies in appropriate such cases?

My seventh and final concern is the very broad delegated powers conferred on Ministers under the Bill, for example under Clause 39. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, will address this topic, and I share the views that I know he is going to express. I look forward to hearing the Minister’s response on these points.

Lord Freeman (Con)
One area it is vital to cover is the need for a mandatory register of house owners located abroad who are currently able to buy UK property anonymously. I have lived in London for most of my life, although I did not represent a London consistency in another place, and I am acutely conscious that there is a good deal of concern not just in central London—in Kensington and Chelsea and Mayfair—but throughout Greater London about the anonymous purchase of property and the implication—implication only; I make no charge—of improper sources of funds to buy the properties. The Government have promised to introduce legislation by April 2018 to bring transparency to the housing market so that overseas companies must publicly declare their beneficial ownership. That is a very important target to meet on legislation and government action. Transparency International has apparently identified more than £4 billion-worth of London property bought with wealth considered suspicious—these are not my statistics, and I am grateful to that organisation for briefing me—and 40,000 London properties that are owned anonymously.

Action is required. Companies House, I am sad to say, has far too few employees dealing with registration. I gather it is a handful—or less than a single handful—and therefore staffing should be increased dramatically. We need a register of beneficial owners of UK property, which should be open not only to your Lordships’ House but to the general public.

Baroness Northover (LD)
We have also heard that the anti-money laundering measures were added at a late stage—people have mentioned that to us. Given how short the part of the Bill is in this regard, it certainly looks likely. The very fact that there was earlier scrutiny of the sanctions section rather bears that out. It would also explain why so much of this part is being put into secondary legislation, even to the extent of allowing Ministers to create new criminal offences, as noble Lords have pointed out. It seems as if this part of the Bill was particularly rushed: lest the Bill enshrine in primary legislation elements that the Government were not quite sure about, they resort to secondary legislation to allow them to set things in place later. But the risk must be that if we put overarching frameworks in secondary legislation, exactly when would primary legislation setting out the parameters ever come back to Parliament?

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon (Con)
The noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, and the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, raised the exercise of power with appropriate safeguards. Yes, in our view there are sufficient safeguards. First, Parliament must authorise every type of sanction that can be imposed. Secondly, all designations are supported by evidence. Thirdly, those affected can ask for a reassessment and challenge through the courts. Fourthly, the Minister must act in accordance with human rights, as per Section 6 of the Human Rights Act 1998. Let me assure noble Lords that we intend to write this week to the newly constituted Joint Committee on Human Rights, setting out the detailed analysis of what I have just described.

There is lots more there, but this is what has caught my eye initially. This is something of a work in progress.

What I see is the bill seems to be rushed and missing lots of important things.
The fourth EU directive on money laundering which came into force in June this year, is deliberately being left out. I'm not quite sure what this covers and what the implications of this are. It seems significant to me though I don't full understand it.
There seems to be a real lack of safe guarding with in the bill which could lead to it being misused and used for intentions it never was.
There are some overlapping Human Rights issues in here particularly relating to immigration. There seems to things that might throw up legal challenges under the Human Rights Act and the ECHR. If we remain under the ECJ, I can also see problems arising there.

Will try and work on this.

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:21

Iain Martin‏*@iainmartin1*
This Beeb coverage on #paradisepapers on the 10 is v weird. Have laws been broken? Smacks of investing loads in a story that hasn't come off

Its not just about laws that have been broken - its about laws that are currently under review and being created and laws which might stem from these new laws.

It is also about standards in public life and morally in addition to the word of the law. Its the spirit of that law too.

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:23

If you don't read all of the above - the Lord Pannick stuff is where its at most.

George Eaton‏*@georgeeaton*

Tory whips office has now lost two members just as Brexit legislation returns to parliament.

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:25

Samuel Lowe‏*@SamuelMarcLowe*
Fun fact: even if UK remained in single market (EEA) & a customs union there would be new border issues.

VAT not covered by either.

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EngTech · 05/11/2017 22:30

And they wonder why the public have lost faith with MP’s 😳

prettybird · 05/11/2017 22:47

I am somewhat cynical and do not trust the Government any government when it claims it would use financial powers responsibly and that worst case scenarios couldn't possibly happen after they used anti-terrorism legislation to freeze Icelandic assets in 2009 Hmm

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 23:09

Follow the money. This is about Trump and Saudi Arabia.

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
1/ Money laundering petrodollars through the US has just become much easier. Two days days before the Saudi Purge, Trump pulled out
2/ of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI), which was codified into US law by fmr GOP Sen Richard Lugar. The US will no
3/ longer participate in a global initiative that requires member nations to disclose their revenues from oil, gas and mining assets.
4/ Under the agreement, the US was required to reveal all the revenue it received from oil, gas and mining companies, and required those
5/ companies to publicly disclose the payments they make to the US and other governments.
thehill.com/policy/international/358560-us-backs-out-of-global-oil-anti-corruption-effort
5/ This is not the first time Trump has made money laundering of petrodollars easier since he took office. One of the first things
6/ Trump & GOP did after inauguration was repeal a US law designed to crack down on corruption in the resources sector.
7/ Congress voted in February to repeal the “Cardin Lugar” provision, which compels American companies in oil, gas and mining industries to
8/ disclose payments they make to foreign governments. The law was implemented in 2016, having been passed in 2010 as part of the
9/ Dodd-Frank reform act introduced by Obama.

Cardin Lugar, named after the senators who sponsored it, was designed to boost transparency
10/ by showing how much money foreign governments receive from selling mineral rights. It is estimated that some $150bn in payments
11/ have been disclosed globally in last 2 yrs. But, the oil lobby in US complained about having to be transparent.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/04/investors-warn-bribery-risk-america-repeals-resources-industry/
12/ The elimination of these 2 anti-corruption requirements on flow of petrodollars is directly implicated in Trump’s attempts to do
13/ business w Saudis on NYSE:
www.bbc.com/news/business-41869135
Trump pitches for $2 trillion Saudi Aramco oil float
14/ Trump signaled “all clear” to Saudi oil king: “It’s ok to launder your petrodollars here now”

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

14/ Within hours of removing the petrodollar disclosure requirement, Trump courted the oil King.
www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/11/04/trump-says-he-spoke-to-saudi-king-about-aramco-they-will-consider-us-exchanges.html
15/ Trump’s “friends” stand to make BILLIONS $$$ with ZERO disclosure. If you think his family & business won’t profit, you are naive.
16/ Kushner was IN SAUDI ARABIA when Trump withdrew from the EITI.
17/ Right Wing Israel (many who stand to profit from ARAMCO IPO on NYSE) is fronting for Kushner on his secret trip.
www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.819768
18/ ARAMCO NYSE IPO which will enrich Trump was anticipated when Jared negotiated arms deal on behalf of the Saudis.
thinkprogress.org/jared-kushner-saudi-thaad-lockheed-martin-9caa1cf88f8f/
19/ The ARAMCO NYSE IPO will be the largest ever IPO in the world. Trump and his associates will get wealthy beyond imagination.
20/ Congress should IMMEDIATELY intervene to reinstate EITI disclosure requirements @SenMarkWarner @SenJohnMcCain @RepAdamSchiff @RepTedLieu
21/ Kushner should not have security clearance. For information about his repeated malfeasance, see:
twitter.com/i/moments/926230463852752897
22/ Petrodollar laundering via the NYSE is not new. Trump has made it more lucrative (Aramco) and less transparent.
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/business/dealbook/deutsche-bank-fined-for-helping-russians-launder-10-billion.html
Smith Retweeted Sarah L Smith
23/ To be clear, any possible objection from Saudi to the laundering of petrodollars via NYSE has been neutralized:

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, 2nd largest shareholder of #Twitter, has been arrested on money laundering charges
www.cnbc.com/2017/11/04/billionaire-saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-arrested-in-corruption-crackdown-local-reports.html

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

24/ Trump’s threat of exposure from his most visible Saudi critic was quashed with the arrest of this Crown Prince:

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal tweeted this to Trump in January 2016 He is clearly an enemy of Trump.

طلال‏ @Alwaleed_Talal
Trump:You base your statements on photoshopped pics?I bailed you out twice;a 3rd time,maybe?

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

25/ Trump says American businesses unfairly penalized by federal laws prohibiting bribing of foreign officials.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/rex-tillerson-at-the-breaking-point

In February, a few weeks after Tillerson was confirmed by the Senate, he visited the Oval Office to introduce the President to a potential deputy, but Trump had something else on his mind. He began fulminating about federal laws that prohibit American businesses from bribing officials overseas; the businesses, he said, were being unfairly penalized

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
26/ Never forget, Trump Assets are in a Revocable, Not Blind, Trust
www.voanews.com/a/report-trump-assets-in-revocable-trust/3706054.html
27/ Disclosure of Trump’s tax returns imperative to determine how he has profited from Saudi arms deal or will profit from Aramco NYSE IPO
28/ Cardin, Lugar Statement on U.S. Withdrawal from Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative
www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-lugar-statement-on-us-withdrawal-from-extractive-industries-transparency-initiative
29/ Cardin-Lugar required under Sec 1504 Dodd-Frank for any US or foreign company on US stock exchanges to publicly disclose
30/ resource extraction payments made to governments on a project basis. Here’s Cardin & Lugar’s argument:
thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/249345-at-fifth-anniversary-time-to-finish-a-key-dodd-frank-rule

Brexit is about exactly the same things for exactly the same reasons.

WHY did Lord Ashcroft fund Brexit? Why does he fund the Tories? Why was he actively involved with Trump's campaign?

What doesn't he want you to know?

All part of the same thing.

Which is why that Money Laundering Bill matters and why that investigative journalism into the Paradise Papers matters - even if they don't find a smoking gun - it raises questions about conflicts of interest and who is making decisions and why.

At present its arguable that the bill will allow more laundering for those with money but more abuse of power against people who don't have money.

So whilst we are all getting distracted by the sex scandal (which is important), I can't stress enough how important it is to be keeping eyes on this developing story in the Paradise Papers and in the Sanctions and Money Laundering Bill.

A HUGE amount of the current political arc comes back repeatedly to money laundering. And because it does, its why you should keep asking questions about it and anything 'odd' or out of the ordinary.

Charlie Elphicke? Sex Pest or something else?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Elphicke#Multinational_Company_Tax_Avoidance_Campaign

Its difficult not to be cynical. Especially also given Fallon's departure at roughly the same time.

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Holliewantstobehot · 05/11/2017 23:24

My head is going to explode. I'm warming to the theory we are all part of a big computer game. Whoevers playing it has lost their job at some point and has had nothing else to do but play. And they're really pissed off they can't get another job and are taking it out on us.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 23:24

Westminster Hour‏*@BBCWestminHour*

The law does have to be looked at if the worst of the Paradise Papers does turn out to be legal says @LadyBasildon

Notable. She's one of the prominent voices in the Lords on Money Laundering.

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BlessedBeTheFruit · 05/11/2017 23:28

Another epic post, thanks Red.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 23:30

My head is going to explode. I'm warming to the theory we are all part of a big computer game.

God has one twisted sense of humour.

And yes, head explodes - reality is its probably all just about two things though. Money and the power money gives. That's all.

Everything else is just details.

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Peregrina · 05/11/2017 23:38

It was hilariously funny watching Lord Ashcroft dodge the BBC Reporter.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2017 00:36

Recap - Current scandal status for the govt

Resigned:
Michael Fallon (Sec of Defence)

Being investigated by the Cabinet Office:
+Damien Green "Deputy PM"
+Mark Garnier (junior to Fox, Dept of Trade)

Suspended from the party & referred to police:
+Charlie Elphicke

4 MPs referred to the party’s new internal party disciplinary system:
+Chris Pincher (stood down as a whip)
+Dan Poulter
+Daniel Kawczynski
+Stephen Crabb

^On that list (excl consensual relationships)

  • about another 30 MPs^ ^ Miscellaneous other hidden dodgy doings:^
  • Offshore funds / tax avoidance: Ashcroft, many other Tory & Brexit donors
  • Dark money: to ministers, MPs - we'll almost certainly never know how many ......
BigChocFrenzy · 06/11/2017 00:51

One paper just reminded me of a previous Foreign Sec who frequently had sozzled mishaps:
George Brown (Labour, 1960s)

Feeling merry, George tried to dance with what he believed to be a georgeous vision in red.
The object of his desire snapped:

“First, I don’t dance.
Second, I am the Cardinal Archbishop of Lima.” GrinGrin

lonelyplanetmum · 06/11/2017 06:07

Thanks immensely Red,and yes woman that's it, absolutely, this lemming coup has become a Carry On coup.

What gets me is that there are still swathes of the population who say " oh politics, I don't really follow what's going on " and then still support the exit.

I know it's hard to keep up, which is why this thread is so valuable.

I see Mark Carney has said the economy would be booming if we were not leaving,but hey what does he know.

mathanxiety · 06/11/2017 06:30

Thanks for the new thread, RTB, and also for the Twitter Legatum link.

Also thanks for that excellent Sarah L Smith @SLSmith000 thread.
It is worth remembering the Constitutional Research Council's relationship with a former head of SA Intelligence. Saudi Arabia seems to be a central player in all of this (the Trump election and Brexit).
www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/peter-geoghegan-adam-ramsay/meet-scottish-tory-behind-425000-dup-brexit-donation

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay-peter-geoghegan/secretive-dup-brexit-donor-links-to-saudi-intelligence-service
The shadowy donor group that gave the Democratic Unionist Party £425,000 during the Brexit referendum campaign has links to the former Director General of the Saudi intelligence service – also the father of the current Saudi Ambassador to the UK – openDemocracy can reveal.

The donation to Arlene Foster’s party – which was used to fund key Leave campaign advertisements across the UK in the run up to the European referendum – was initially kept hidden because of Northern Ireland’s donor secrecy laws. However, under pressure from activists after openDemocracy revealed how Brexit campaigners were funnelling dark money through Northern Ireland to fund “Take Back Control” adverts, the Democratic Unionist Party was forced last night to reveal its major donor to be a group calling itself the Constitutional Research Council.

Little is known about the Constitutional Research Council, including where it got these funds from. However, we do know one thing: it is chaired by the Scottish Conservative Richard Cook.

And openDemocracy can reveal that Cook has strong links with Saudi Arabia – which was seen by economists as a likely beneficiary from Brexit.

In 2013, Cook founded a company called Five Star Investment Management Ltd with the former head of the Saudi Arabian intelligence agency, Prince Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz. The prince’s son is the Saudi ambassador to the UK.

Five Star Investment Management Ltd, was registered at Mr Cook’s Glasgow address and lists as one of its other three initial shareholders HRH Prince Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz, whose address is listed as a palace in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, according to filings at Companies House. The firm also filed no accounts with Companies House, and was dissolved in December 2014.

CRC funded Steve Baker to the tune of £6,500 and also handed out almost half a million £ to the DUP to channel into the Leave campaign.
www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay-peter-geoghegan/new-brexit-minister-arms-industry-american-hard-right-and-e
American Principles in Action is a radical right group in the USA who, support a return to the gold standard (an idea that Baker often discusses), but who are better known for their hard conservative viewpoints and rhetoric. This week, their executive director, Terry Schilling, asked: “will Christian schools, charities, businesses, and families be forced to acquiesce to the hyper-sexual LGBT agenda or face government persecution?”.

The year Baker received money from the organisation, they in turn were paid $250,000 by the American billionaire Robert Mercer, according to research by the website DeSmog. Mercer is at the centre of investigations by Observer journalist Carole Cadwalladr into Brexit and the election of Donald Trump and, among other things, is the owner of the company Cambridge Analytica, which was at the heart of both campaigns.

In 2012 (twice), and 2016, Baker attended conferences with his costs paid for by the American Liberty Fund, a group described by former US Vice President Al Gore as “radical right wing”. Describing the conferences they organise for US judges, Gore wrote that those who attend: "are generally responsible for writing the most radical pro-corporate, anti-environmental, and activist decisions". The Liberty Fund has a history of close collaboration with the Charles Koch Institute, co-publishing pamphlets, organising ‘coloquia’ and hosting seminars together. Charles Koch, and his brother David are fossil fuel industry billionaires who spend a lot of their money fighting against action on climate change and healthcare in the USA.
(I have posted this before).

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/peter-geoghegan-adam-ramsay/dup-donaldson-can-t-remember-why-his-brexit-campaign-spent-more-than-
DUP and data analytics company Aggregate IQ.
An on-going Observer’s investigation has found that Aggregate IQ has very close ties to Cambridge Analytica and hedge fund billionaire and Donald Trump-backer Robert Mercer.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 08:40

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/channel-islands-trading-boom-hides-influence-of-eu-srx2635nl
Channel Islands trading boom ‘hides influence of EU’

A huge surge in trade with the Channel Islands and offshore tax havens has prompted calls for the government to explain the source of the growth amid concerns that it is masking the importance of trade with the European Union.

Data published by the Office for National Statistics last week showed that Guernsey, with a population of 63,000, was one of Britain’s largest international trading partners and the sixth-largest consumer of British services, putting it ahead of major economies including Italy, China and Japan.

I'm not sure it's influence of the EU it's hiding.

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