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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 08:32

Robert Peston
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Tory MPs seem to expect Penny Mordaunt to be Patel’s successor. After furore over Williamson’s appointment last week, I would say that makes her a shoo-in!

Holliewantstobehot · 09/11/2017 08:58

IDS on the today program. Apparently we're all brexiteers now.

Don't think so mate.

missmoon · 09/11/2017 09:01

The whole Priti Patel business is very odd. Surely there are lots of intelligence agencies monitoring what happens in the Middle East. I don't understand how PP could have met the Israeli PM without MI6 knowing (or at least being told by another agency). It was all done so openly. I think PP was there with TM's knowledge, although it's possible that the Foreign Office didn't know.

TheElementsSong · 09/11/2017 09:09

The government is such a complete mess.

And yet the Brexiteers are still bubbling with anticipation and brimming with joyous confidence as they wait for the preordained wonders naturally due to us just for being British (apart from when they're snarling furiously at Remoaners for ruining Brexit by not BeLeaving).

Seriously. They're looking at the Tory government rickety clown car careening around the tottering UK circus tent, with our face-painted cabinet ministers clobbering each other with giant rubber mallets, smashing cream pies over heads and pouring custard into each other's baggy harlequin trousers 🤡... and they're thinking "Yup, I have absolute confidence that these are highly competent, honest, and capable virtuosos on the international stage who are perfectly qualified to steer our golden ship to eternal oceans of wonder!".

Peregrina · 09/11/2017 09:21

Apparently we're all brexiteers now.
Theresa May thought that before the election. However she then decided to spin it as 80% of people voted for a party which supported Brexit. Whereas, I personally think that those people who voted Labour were probably voting for things like preserving the NHS, or voting for the candidate with the best chance of getting the Tories out.

Holliewantstobehot · 09/11/2017 09:26

Peregrina

I totally agree. The election was either voting to get out the Tories or voting to keep out Corbyn, depending on your viewpoint. I did this myself in a marginal where Tories were being threatened by labour with lib dems third. I do think the rabid brexiteers voted in the main for TM, but mostly I think the election was more about domestic policies than brexit.

TheElementsSong · 09/11/2017 09:28

Why people voted for Brexit:
twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/928359937310384128

Why people voted to Remain:
twitter.com/familycope/status/928370391764041728

lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2017 09:30

Elements-so perceptive and apt.

How can swathes of the electorate be thinking yes this is what I voted for:"Yup, I have absolute confidence that these are highly competent, honest, and capable virtuosos on the international stage who are perfectly qualified to steer our golden ship to eternal oceans of wonder!"

Surely now the penny is dropping...

woman11017 · 09/11/2017 09:36

The whole Priti Patel business is very odd

Can't think why tories might use a woman of colour and anti Israelism to deflect incoming. Hmm

Lucky no one excuses misogyny when it's aimed at tory women or anti semitism when it's aimed at Israel.

Ethical elephant trap, folks.

Holliewantstobehot · 09/11/2017 09:57

Meanwhile we are still waiting for the impact assessments.....

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/07/brexit-impact-studies-anna-soubry-commons-publication

Benn said: “I would expect the committee to receive these documents in the form they were when the motion was carried – in other words, unamended.”

Three weeks apparently. Wonder if they're sexing them up. Because no government has ever tried that before.

OldEnglishSheepDog · 09/11/2017 09:59

@woman11017 I think you are crediting the Tories with far more cunning than they actually possess. While I have no doubt there are many amongst them who would think your theory is a fabulous idea, I'm not convinced there are any with the intellect to come up with it themselves!

LurkingHusband · 09/11/2017 09:59

Food for thought ...

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
Peregrina · 09/11/2017 10:03

anti semitism when it's aimed at Israel.

I didn't see any anti-semitism in this criticism of Priti Patel's visit. Just suppose she had organised a holiday to say Iran and met key figures in Government - she would just as rightly have been condemned. It was utterly stupid to attempt to interfere in Middle East politics - the whole situation has defeated people of much more ability than she has shown.

TimFromRuislip · 09/11/2017 10:03

Just to lower the tone, Lembit Opik must have something about him as he's consistently punched above his weight - and he's neither powerful or that rich, I don't think.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 10:20

I believe the phrase bandied about in the relationships section is "has he got a gold-plated cock?" just to explicitly lower the tone further

PattyPenguin · 09/11/2017 10:20

In the absence of Government impact assessments, here's one from IPPR North.

Story in the Graun
"Brexit will have nearly twice the impact on the economy of the north of England as it will on London, according to a new report." www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/09/brexit-will-hit-northern-england-economy-hardest-ippr-north-thinktank

IPPR report here
www.ippr.org/files/2017-11/1510217653_state-of-the-north-2017-november-2017.pdf
see section 2 on Brexit

nauticant · 09/11/2017 10:46

Why is it that fans of terms like citizens of nowhere, liberal elites, rootless cosmopolitans etc, seem to be apt to fall into bed with foreign powers? They're the ones shouting down others with their cries of flag, country, and patriotism after all.

LurkingHusband · 09/11/2017 10:47

"Brexit will have nearly twice the impact on the economy of the north of England as it will on London, according to a new report."

Oh, that's nice. Usually the North gets left out of the nice stuff. About time they had some good fortune.

BiglyBadgers · 09/11/2017 10:55

Benn said: “I would expect the committee to receive these documents in the form they were when the motion was carried – in other words, unamended.”

I am beginning to believe that unamended would actually mean nonexistent. I am assuming that the reason it is taking so long is because a team of civil servants are currently up all night writing the damn things.

Peregrina · 09/11/2017 10:59

It ought to be easy to produce them in the unamended form - Just buy a packet of A4 paper and take out 58 sheets. Job done.

PattyPenguin · 09/11/2017 11:00

Peregrina Grin

EmilyDickinson · 09/11/2017 11:00

I completely agree Bigly the whole thing reminds me of a school child going, "Oh dear, I seem to have forgotten my homework. I could have sworn I put it in my bag this morning."

LurkingHusband · 09/11/2017 11:04

I am assuming that the reason it is taking so long is because a team of civil servants are currently up all night writing the damn things.

Let's hope they get it right. If they are going to try and fool us into thinking they are older than they really are, they need to be shit-hot and make sure that they don't include any anachronistic figures, or references.

They also need to ensure that every single one of the 58 sectors is a winner.

TimFromRuislip · 09/11/2017 11:06

Pain Grin

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