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Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 12:28

Lost track of politics in the last week or so?

Someone asked how do I keep on top of this? I’ve struggled this week there is so much going on.

Brexit seems to be on a bit of a back burner and we have become utterly swamped in mud and sleaze and corruption allegations

So here is a summary of the last week:

  1. Government defeated over the impact reports due to an ancient parliamentary protocol. They must release papers to the public though this is likely to be heavily redacted.
  2. Currently we are holding talks about talks with the EU. Instead of speeding up talks. They are annoyed at us for this.
  3. Baroness Anelay, the minister responsible for getting the Repel Bill through the Lords, quit citing an injury caused by jumping out of a helicopter several years ago. She was the second person to quit this role. Lord Bridges quit saying it was impossible task.
  4. Michael Gove has joined the Brexit Cabinet, which now has a majority of Leavers.
  5. There is currently no one employed at the Brexit department for strategic planning.
  6. Brexit Bill likely to face even more opposition in the face of Williamson’s self promotion. More Remainers who have been loyal to May talking of joining the Rebel Forces.
  7. The has been a threat to rig the Lords to pass the Repel Bill according to Lord Adonis
  8. Clegg, Adonis and Clarke went to see Barnier. Farage got jealous.
  9. Talks for Stormont broke down. No direct rule but not home rule. Who is ruling is a mystery, but the same can be said in England at present. DUP are not getting their dosh.
  10. FTA may not be possible on lines UK want as it would be better than Canada and South Korea and that’s not legally allowed. The real problem for the UK is services.
  11. EHCR related issues – prisoner voting rights and letter to Romanian which brings into question whether the EHCR is deliberately being flouted.
  12. Clause in the data protection bill which allows it to be ignored ‘cos immigration’.
  13. The Electoral Commission are being sued for allowing over spending by Vote Leave
  14. Arron Banks is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over how he donated to political causes
  15. UKIP whistleblowers reported donations they thought were odd and not declared but only just has come to light
  16. Arron Banks is winding up a charity under investigation by the Charities Commission
  17. Arron Banks paid for Kate Hoey to go to Washington DC.
  18. Lord Ashcroft apparently exposed by the Bermuda hack, like Robert Mercer
  19. Steve Baker reported for taking money from the mysterious donor to the DUP
  20. Priti Patel breaks ministerial code with an undisclosed trip to Israel with lobbyist. May says she has done nothing wrong, despite it being clear breech of the rules.
  21. Michael Fallon quit over multiple incidents
  22. Damien Green embroiled in accusation over Kate Maltby. Also having a fight with former counter terrorism copper who he has history with over ‘extreme porn’ found on his computer during a raid. Copper previously said he had been set up in the paper but dropped the accusation. Green is denying everything
  23. Charlie Elphicke has had the whip removed and case has been referred to police. Says he has done nothing wrong and isn’t even aware of what he has been accused of.
  24. Steven Crabb under investigation for sexting. Has apologised.
  25. Michael Garnier under investigation for dildo buying. Has apologised
  26. Daniel Kawcyznski allegedly tried to set up dates with aides and wealthy friends
  27. Dan Poulter reported by fellow tory MP Andrew Bridgen for allegedly putting hands up skirts. Whips told in 2010.
  28. Chris Pincher alleged pound shop Weinstein who attempted to untuck the shirt of former Olympic rower and tory activist Alex Story.
  29. Gavin Barwell former whip and May’s special adviser. Broke special advisor code by tweeting politically controversial things. Is accused of being complicit in hiding the bodies and not taking action.
  30. Gavin Williamson gave himself a promotion and pissed everyone off. As former whip knows all the dirt but is vulnerable as a result of that, as he didn’t report or discipline offenders.
  31. ‘The Lift Lunger’ – as yet unnamed Tory MP said to have ‘attacked’ Labour MP in taxi. Date rape drugs possibly involved.
  32. Boris Johnson, Alok Sharma and Tobias Ellwood all named as having contact with the mysterious Maltese professor named in the Papadopoulos indictment.
  33. Farage makes anti-Semitic remarks on LBC. That’s Farage, a person of interest to the FBI.
  34. Three indictments in USA for Trump Russia. Which implicate a whole load of people by association.
  35. Some stuff is going on in Saudi Arabia which should have half an eye kept on it.
  36. Jared O’Mara, Clive Lewis, Ivan Lewis and Kelvin Hopkins on the Labour Shit List. Also a rape allegation against a Labour activist which was shut down by a senior Labour figure

This week the Repel Bill and the Budget. Plus no doubt, lots more scandal.

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TheElementsSong · 09/11/2017 11:07

Usually the North gets left out of the nice stuff. About time they had some good fortune.

GrinGrinGrin

HashiAsLarry · 09/11/2017 11:22

pain may say a lot about me but my first thought was that sounds cold

lh and peregrina 😂

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2017 11:41

Original form ....
58 scruffy fag packets ?
Or maybe an old A4 sheet with 58 topics listed in font size 6

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 11:53
Grin

A reminder given May's attendance at D'Acre's banquet last night:

Press Gazette‏ @pressgazette Feb 6

New analysis suggests News Corp execs visit Downing Street more than any other company in the UK

www.pressgazette.co.uk/new-analysis-suggests-news-corp-execs-visit-downing-street-more-than-any-other-company-in-the-uk/

Westministenders: A week in politics is a long time....
BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2017 11:59

"News Corp execs visit Downing Street more than any other company in the UK"

She needs frequent instructions
She's not very bright

BigChocFrenzy · 09/11/2017 12:05

Olennas I suspect Gove may sneak in to become PM
Yes, I know he's vile - so are most of the cabinet and junior ministers.
He is genuinely clever, although not as clever as he thinks
He could wipe the floor against the low calibre of the other likely candidates

Tory MPs felt revulsion when Gove destroyed Bojo"s chances so ruthlessly in the 2016 leadership election
However, after seeing how shamefully Bojo has behaved as Foreign Sec, most are probably grateful now

Somerville · 09/11/2017 12:12

Gove will never be forgiven for publically opposing the GFA and thus would be disastrous for the Union.
There are dissident republicans gurgling with glee at the thought of him becoming PM; their ranks would swell within days.
I'm a pacifist so I would be incredibly worried.

Peregrina · 09/11/2017 12:35

Tory MPs felt revulsion when Gove destroyed Bojo"s chances so ruthlessly in the 2016 leadership election

False outrage. Gove gave Johnson the perfect excuse for backing out of the leadership race, which he didn't want to partake in just then, because he knew he would have to deliver Brexit. It was going to be fine for him when Remain won, because then he could have been the candidate for the extreme Brexit wing - other candidates like Redwood being too toxic.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 13:01
Hmm

Fox News
@FoxNews
.@BorisJohnson: "The American President is just one of the huge, great global brands, and he is penetrating corners of the global consciousness that I think few other presidents have ever done."

PattyPenguin · 09/11/2017 13:17

Proof positive that BoJo believes no publicity is bad publicity.

OlennasWimple · 09/11/2017 13:19

Somerville - the sad (and shameful) truth is that NI is not a vote winner or loser in England and Wales and parts of Scotland. Most voters won't know about Gove's previous on NI, and even when told they won't care Sad

But yes, he is clever, whilst I'm beginning to think that Johnson is educated but not clever (I had previously thought that Johnson was clever hiding behind a bumbling image for some reason, but his performance as Foreign Secretary has put paid to that notion)

HashiAsLarry · 09/11/2017 13:21

There are areas of consciousness we should try not to reach as decent humans, which is precisely where these cockwombles are aiming.

mrsreynolds · 09/11/2017 13:44

Gove
Fuck me
What we've come to

Holliewantstobehot · 09/11/2017 13:53

OlennasWimple

Yes there are different kinds of clever. In some ways I am clever. I learn things quickly. I have a good memory. I am good at exams because of this. But I am useless at seeing the nuances of a situation. I find it hard to predict other peoples reactions to a situation. I am not very good at seeing a big picture, I like details but find it hard to see how a lot of small things interact.

Diplomacy takes a certain kind of clever. Boris hides behind his wide vocabulary and his ability to remember quotes at the drop of a hat. Its not that he's not clever. He's just not the right kind of clever.

HashiAsLarry · 09/11/2017 13:56

hollies I think you're right. Especially 're Johnson. His success as Mayor and in other areas he's been seen as successful always seem to come down to his ability to delegate. He was never ministerial material precisely because of this though, as it's too limited in pool to effectively manage that. Which is why he keeps being caught now with his trousers down literally and figuratively in his case

Theworldisfullofidiots · 09/11/2017 14:14

I thought Gove as well.....

whatwouldrondo · 09/11/2017 14:36

Sorry life is very busy at the moment so I feel I’ll equipped to keep up and contribute but Boris’s success as mayor? He was successful in the sense that he was re-elected but given his legacy I think few Londoners feel he particularly touched the sides in terms of making much of a difference apart from the very obvious building of the 200 plus skyscrapers rapidly enveloping our landscapes vistas and landmarks mostly in a way that is regarded as architectural vandalism and depriving the capital of truly public space, to the benefit of overseas investors.

I am sure he is clever but he is also lazy and arrogant so not able to apply it intelligently to anything that requires diplomacy, knowledge or hard work. That is why he is a reasonably entertaining journalist / TV historian / orator......

LurkingHusband · 09/11/2017 14:41

Speaking of Gove ...

www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/09/uk-will-back-total-ban-on-bee-harming-pesticides-michael-gove-reveals

UK will back total ban on bee-harming pesticides, Michael Gove reveals

Exclusive: Research leads environment secretary to overturn government’s previous opposition, making total EU ban much more likely
A tractor sprays a field of oilseed rape with pesticide. Recent research suggests that neonicotinoids damage the health of bees and other insects.

Damian Carrington Environment editor

Thursday 9 November 2017 05.45 GMTLast modified on Thursday 9 November 2017 09.01 GMT
The UK will back a total ban on insect-harming pesticides in fields across Europe, the environment secretary, Michael Gove, has revealed.
The decision reverses the government’s previous position and is justified by recent new evidence showing neonicotinoids have contaminated the whole landscape and cause damage to colonies of bees. It also follows the revelation that 75% of all flying insects have disappeared in Germany and probably much further afield, a discovery Gove said had shocked him.
The evidence points in one direction – we must ban neonicotinoids.
Neonicotinoids are the world’s most widely used insecticide but in 2013 the European Union banned their use on flowering crops, although the UK was among the nations opposing the ban. The European Commission now wants a total ban on their use outside of greenhouses, with a vote expected in December, and the UK’s new position makes it very likely to pass.
“The weight of evidence now shows the risks neonicotinoids pose to our environment, particularly to the bees and other pollinators which play such a key part in our £100bn food industry, is greater than previously understood,” said Gove. “I believe this justifies further restrictions on their use. We cannot afford to put our pollinator populations at risk.”
In an article for the Guardian, Gove said: “As is always the case, a deteriorating environment is ultimately bad economic news as well.” He said pollinators boost the yield and quality of UK crops by £400m-£680m every year and said, for example, gala apple growers are now having to spend £5.7m a year to do replace the work of lost natural pollinators.
Gove said the evidence of neonicotinoids’ harm to pollinators has grown stronger since 2013, including a landmark field trial published in July that showed neonicotinoids damage bee populations, not just individual insects, and a global analysis of honey revealing worldwide contamination by the insecticides.
This and other research was examined by the UK’s Expert Committee on Pesticides (ECP), which published its updated advice on Thursday. “Exposure to neonicotinoid pesticides under field conditions can have an unacceptable effect on honeybee health” they concluded. “Such unacceptable effects are occurring at a landscape level and between seasons.”
Warning of 'ecological Armageddon' after dramatic plunge in insect numbers
Professor Ian Boyd, chief scientific advisor at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, said: “The important question is whether neonicotinoids’ use results in harmful effects on populations of bees and other pollinators as a whole. The available evidence [now] justifies taking further steps to restrict the use of neonicotinoids.”
Boyd warned in September that the assumption by regulators around the world that it is safe to use pesticides at industrial scales across landscapes is false. This followed other highly critical reports on pesticides, including research showing most farmers could slash their pesticide use without lossesand a UN report that denounced the “myth” that pesticides are necessary to feed the world.
Gove’s decision has delighted campaigners and scientists who have long argued that heavy pesticide use, along with the destruction of habitat and disease, are having a devastating impact on insects.
“Michael Gove is to be congratulated for listening to the experts on this issue and backing tougher restrictions,” said Friends of the Earth’s chief executive Craig Bennett. “But lessons also need to be learned – we now need to move away from chemical-intensive farming and instead boost support for less damaging ways of tackling persistent weeds and pests.
“We warmly welcome the UK’s change of position,” said Matt Shardlow, at insect conservation group Buglife. “Brexit will give the UK more control over the health of our ecosystems and it is essential in doing so that we apply the highest standards of care.”
Honey tests reveal global contamination by bee-harming pesticides
He said the EU had been stuck on the issue of a full neonicotinoid ban, unable until now to get sufficient votes from member states: “In taking this ‘unfrozen moment’ in British politics to put bees and science at the centre of our priorities for sustainable agriculture, Michael Gove may also unfreeze the EU and secure an EU-wide ban that will benefit insects across the continent.”
Chris Hartfield, the National Farmers Union’s acting chief science adviser, said: “Farmers are acutely aware that bees play a crucial role in food production and have done an enormous amount to help them.” But he said the committee’s finding of “unacceptable effects” came despite their acknowledgement of a gap in understanding in whether neonicotinoids damage overall ecosystem services: “In our view, the ECP has leapt beyond its brief.”
But Gove said: “While there is still uncertainty in the science, it is increasingly pointing in one direction.” He said a post-Brexit farming subsidy system would channel more money into environmentally sustainable ways of farming

lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2017 15:02

So it really is Penny Mourdant
who when asked by Marr if Britain has a veto over Turkey joining the EU she lied or was ignorant or both and said : 'No, it doesn’t. We are not going to be able to have a say'.

So meets the job description then out and out liar and insufficient knowledge about basic matters of state. The coup has become a farce ...

lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2017 15:03
  • Mordaunt
lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2017 15:07

I’m so incredulous I’m being garbled..

Penny Mordaunt who did not even know the basics of how the EU worked is now the International Development Secretary, amongst other things in charge of the UK's £13bn foreign aid budget.

thecatfromjapan · 09/11/2017 15:13

Well. There we go. They've decided on keeping a Brexit-related balance in the Cabinet and all the Brexiters seem to be liars, incompetent, serious personality flaws, so it had to be someone with one of those characteristics. Sad

TheElementsSong · 09/11/2017 15:18

Mordaunt will fit in perfectly, then.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/11/2017 15:26

thecat true, except it’s not one of those characteristics, it’s all of those characteristics.

LurkingHusband · 09/11/2017 15:29

They've decided on keeping a Brexit-related balance in the Cabinet

Again, I'm seeing Brexit sink with Brexiteers at the helm ...

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