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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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RedToothBrush · 19/10/2017 16:41

Oh dear, Rupert Myers political correspondent for GQ (who has also written for the Spectator, ConHome, Telegraph and others) has had his freelance contract terminated and has deleted his twitter account following allegations of sexual harassment.

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RedToothBrush · 19/10/2017 16:53

Marie Le Conte‏*@youngvulgarian*
I really, really hope other creepy men in the media are starting to panic about the future of their careers.

Incidentally a very good male friend of mine was very candidate about the media to me and the experiences his female friends had. I am very much not surprised by any of this. Worst still was the expectation from the women on my course that in order to advance their career, sexual harassment was part of the deal.

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LurkingHusband · 19/10/2017 16:54

political correspondent for GQ

It's hard not to wonder if that's like having a fashion correspondent for Men and Motors ?

OlennasWimple · 19/10/2017 17:04

Great news, Somerville! Wine

Close protection is given when the threat is assessed to warrant it (you might remember it was withdrawn from Mo Mowlam, the only former NI SoS to be deemed not to need it). So if Jezza has it, it's because the risk assessment says that it is necessary and if he has consented to have a couple of burly men following him around everywhere all the time.

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 17:10

If anyone's free this evening:

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
Badders08 · 19/10/2017 17:11

Saw this...

Badders08 · 19/10/2017 17:11

Argh...this!

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
TheElementsSong · 19/10/2017 17:20

Nice one Badders Grin but they forgot one repeating item on the UK agenda: Blame somebody else.

Bolshybookworm · 19/10/2017 17:44

Going back a bit but my uni tutor was on the life scientific- she is and was awesome Smile

Peregrina · 19/10/2017 18:22

How do we take part in a twitter storm? I do have a twitter account, but don't go on it very much.

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 18:24

Grin elements and this one?
Criticising Brexit could become a hate crime after the movement was granted religious status.
newsthump.com/2017/10/13/criticising-brexit-to-become-hate-crime-after-movement-gains-religious-status/

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 18:29

I think we just post or retweet posts about it, and then it becomes trending? Peregrina ? I am clueless. < but am treasuring a 'like' from Amy Siskind>

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 18:55

Interesting thread:

@JolyonMaugham

So a wee bird has dropped into my inbox what a major newspaper has described as a report from HM Treasury. THREAD
Includes:

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 19:12

Didn't GO (Project Fear) estimate £4,500 ?

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 19:16

Exactly. bigchoc Not feary enough, apparently.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 19:17

Pascal Lamy (Director General of the WTO) :

https://www.ft.com/content/9d7298d4-b336-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399

“The fundamental difference between the UK vision of what this is about and the Franco-German view is that the British still think this is a negotiation.
It is not a negotiation.
It is a process to be managed to minimise harm.
It involves adjusting

They [UK] still seem to believe they can buy something with the money they have to pay.
The truth is there is nothing to discuss . . . The only question is how much do you owe.”

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 19:22

The RoI could feasibly veto both the “transition” the UK wants (really A50 extension) as well as a future trade deal

The economic damage and loss of its exports to the UK after a no-deal Brexit might be similar to those from a hard Brexit.

Then of course there are Irish politics and not wishing Sinn Fein to increase votes after Brexit damage to the RoI
Irish customs officials are much less likely to be shot if they are there as a result of standing up to Britain / England / a Tory govt.

http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2017/08/26/could-ireland-credibly-threaten-to-veto-an-eu-uk-trade-deall_//_

Ireland's EU Commissioner Phil Hogan has launched a withering attack on eurosceptic hardliners in the British government

< He’s probably airing not just his own view, but that of the RoI govt – and its anger at Britain’s behaviour.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1018/913239-phil-hogan-brexit/

Speaking in Brussels, Mr Hogan accused British politicians of deriding facts and details, and of adopting a "bullying" approach to the Brexit negotiations.

"What becomes more obvious day-by-day is that the Brexiteers are hooked on brinkmanship - and have been since the beginning.

"Unfortunately, their only approach is the tough-guy approach.

"No matter what Brussels says or does, no matter what business in the EU says or does, no matter how many companies announce plans to move workers from the UK to new EU headquarters,
the hardliners cannot get out of their head the idea that if they bully their way towards the wire, the [EU's] nerve will crack.

"They cannot get it into their head that this is not how the European Union works.

"Unfortunately, we are now so close to the cliff edge of a hard Brexit that we can see the drop right in front of our feet."

Mr Hogan also criticised what he called the British government's lack of workable solutions on the Irish border.

"It is painfully clear that the UK government is not going to propose workable solutions for the benefit of the island of Ireland,"

"Indeed, the low priority afforded to Northern Ireland by London is disheartening, to say the least.
We hear regularly about the need for 'frictionless borders' but the only policy positions outlined thus far would achieve the exact opposite."

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 19:34

Now is the time for labour to come out for remain, and campaign on it for this autumn's election.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 19:34

Planning Xmas hols ?

In December, the Frankfurt to Milan Express Service starts – only 7.5 hour journey time
Being a German service, it’ll be punctual, efficient, clean

Visit the German Xmas markets, then glorious shoes in Italy (no, May is probably not reading this thread)

mathanxiety · 19/10/2017 19:41

Ben Bradshaw is looking in the wrong direction. Robert Mercer lives and operates in New York, bankrolled Trump and provided the technical assistance of Cambridge Analytica for both Trump's campaign and Brexit.

Anyone following developments in SA - corruption involving the Gupta business empire, Jacob Zuma, and now British banks are concerned about exposure to laundering.
www.bbc.com/news/business-41672793
The matter to be raised in the HoL today, apparently, by Lord Hain.

Peregrina · 19/10/2017 19:55

Being a German service, it’ll be punctual, efficient, clean

Not necessarily punctual these days. I caught a train from Münster which was 15 minutes late, which meant that as we pulled into Cologne I saw my connecting train, the Thalys, leaving on the adjacent track. So I had to get the next one, which also meant that I missed my Eurostar connection. I eventually got home 4 hours late.

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 19:56

Mercer, CA et al are definitely key too, math. Banks is a useful idiot, the pursuit of whom, might be useful to remain now too.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 20:16

I think that's just your v bad luck, peregrina
It has an excellent rep among its regular users.
However, any service can be delayed by occasional mechanical breakdown or suicide (they don't announce the latter, just that there is a delay)

I've only ever had one experience of German railways letting me down - 20 years ago:
the heating broke down on a train to Munich in deep winter - 4 hours travelling, through snowstorms < shivers at the memory >

PattyPenguin · 19/10/2017 20:38

I've been struck by the curse of the unscheduled Rail Replacement Bus in Germany. Good job I'd allowed way more time to get to the airport than everyone thought necessary.

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