Is Anybody Making Personal Plans For Brexit?

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Very worried about it.

I have some savings, not loads, just a few thousand. I'm thinking maybe I should convert it into foreign currency. What do others think? I have a holiday aboard planned next year, I've converted all the spending money we'll need already and plan to pay for meals etc while we're there in cash.

I've been saving as much money as I can, our mortgage still has another eight years to run. I really need a new car and we had planned to get a new kitchen as ours is falling apart but don't think I can risk spending money on stuff like that now. At the same time I want to take my children abroad as much as we can now as I don't think we'll be able to afford to post 2019.

I wish we could leave the country for the EU but it's just not easy for us, no access to foreign passports, children settled in really good schools, and not easily transferable jobs.

For context, I'll almost certainly be losing my job because of Brexit in 2019, not sure what will happen with my husbands job, don't think he'll lose it but it will be negatively affected.

Is anybody else making plans to try to mitigate Brexit? If so any more suggestions for us?

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The gist of it iirc was pressure on increased numbers of patients, more autonomy. That kind of thing. I was surprised to be honest!

I agree with you Cardinal but I don't think the pessimism is necessary.

Thanks cowgirls. So the old 'immigrants use too much NHS' chestnut then, and never mind the immigrants who WORK in and prop up the NHS, nor the fact that UK-born people are much more likely to be the ones clogging it up!

Every form of Brexit is a disaster for the NHS isn't it? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nhs-uk-healthcare-uk-experts-staff-shortages-eu-workers-nurses-doctors-migrant-workers-a7971911.html

As to the why should people care that middle classes will lose jobs, well maybe because those people will take down another 3-4 jobs in the area in lost spending revenue. I find the inference that I wouldn't care about other people's job losses or apparently haven't in the past because I'm middle class and privileged really insulting. I find it appalling that most of the people who voted for Brexit will probably be hit the hardest. I don't want anyone to lose their job on the off chance things might be better in 30yrs.

Besides, pretty much everything I thought would happen before the vote is happening now. I'm not a soothsayer it's bloody obvious where the government is taking us.

I find the inference that I wouldn't care about other people's job losses or apparently haven't in the past because I'm middle class and privileged really insulting. I find it appalling that most of the people who voted for Brexit will probably be hit the hardest.

Me too.

I don't want anyone to lose their job on the off chance things might be better in 30yrs.

Me either. This is an interesting and newish narrative, in evidence on other Brexit threads too: that Remainers are all privileged and all only care about Remaining because we're worried about losing money.

Yes it is and for education, research, pretty much for most things unless of course you are a venture capitalist and it's been dodgy for some of those as well.

My husband to be is a pesky European foreigner so we are moving back to his lovely, safe EU country. A better bet for us than the UK. Luckily I can get an Irish passport so living in the EU shouldn't be a problem for me, but living in the U.K. might be a problem for him. Excited about the change but wish it was more of a choice than a necessity...

because we're worried about losing money

I know Rhiannon, imagine being worried about something so trivial as money, right?

Far better to be worried about losing something intangible like sovereignty...

RhiannonOHara Yes it’s really annoying that all them native people whose grandparents, parents and themselves who have paid tax and NI all these years should be using a service which they have paid into for many decades, same on them old people

Remainers are all privileged and all only care about Remaining because we're worried about losing money.

Actually I'm more worried about the Irish boarder but there's nothing (apart from voting Remain, which I did) that I can do about that one. The only real mitigation I have is to save as much money as I possible can while I still have some.

fake, just to point out for clarity, that bolded quote from me is partial and takes what I said seriously out of context. You're aware of that, yes?

I know that it isn't your view.

That being the case, why should I really care that some mumsnetters are moaning because they'll lose their funding for their academic research or their husband may have to move abroad with his job in finance?

That's the point, you don't have to care if you don't want to. But in a way you're saying you do care because you condemn (and possibly resent) the so-called Chicken Lickening, scaremongering, moaning, future planning etc.

It's a bit ironic, when you've also reassured us that "humans are by nature resilient and adaptable (at least we used to be) and I think that we will find solutions" - PP on this thread have been attempting the very business of being adaptable and finding solutions to mitigate the wonderful glories problems caused by Brexit.

So what's the problem? Genuine question.

They're not posting in a sufficiently cheery tone? They're too middle class?

Or perhaps their personal opinion of the amount of difficulty/levels of mitigation don't concur precisely with yours?

It's a bit like those laundry or food threads that I love lurking on, where posters get incensed that not everybody washes their towels in their exact preferred way, or believe categorically that because they don't believe in soup for dinner that means YOU ARE LITERALLY POISONING YOUR FAMILY if you venture that you served gazpacho last night.

Elements, I think I love you.

fake, phew!

Such a weird need for validation from Remainers needed by Brexits. Almost as if they don't fully believe it will all be sunlit uplands.

The way I see it, I lose nothing by being as prepared as I can be for hard times. I'd rather do that, thanks.

^^ Imminent

I lose nothing by being as prepared as I can be for hard times

That's what I think, as squishy said upthread, it's rather like buying insurance. You don't really believe your house is going to burn down, you hope you won't get burgled.

But apparently it's traitorous, scaremongering, cowardly, hysterical and Talking Your House Down. I hardly dare admit that I don't just have home insurance, I also have (whisper it) heating & boiler cover ^^ I'M SO SORRY BRITAIN, I'VE LET YOU DOWN WITH MY COWARDLY MIDDLE-CLASS HYSTERIA 😫

I would not scoff at 'academic research' if I were you. The vast majority of health research in the UK has academic involvement at its heart. You know, the kind of airy fairy academic research that brings about new treatments for oh, pretty much everything. I work in the field.

Our NHS trust alone has so far lost more than 250k in funding due to research projects going elsewhere. Money that would have gone on improving patient care.

And once the UK is out of the EU we will get less research still. The EU is working on a permissions system that will give companies EU wide research clearance across 27 countries. To research in the UK they would need to apply separately. Economies of scale- what do you think they will go for? And of course the same will apply for bringing new treatments to market - the UK will not be first on that list either.

Of course Michael Gove has suggested we could just cut the red tape around patient safety in research. That should bring the volunteers flocking in.

My turn among siblings to claim Irish passport. Brother needed his for work. He recently received it. Dh and I both entitled to one separately. When 1 of us has got it, will apply for dd.

Rhiannon What was interesting was that the lady who handed me the leaflet was Indian. I agree that the NHS has been hugely advantaged by immigration but it seems to be mainly non EU. As a family we have a lot of contact with the NHS and obviously lots of immigrant NHS workers but I can only remember one EU nation native (Spanish). Given this, I don't think it would be an issue for EU nations staff to keep their positions in the NHS.

The academic research will still go on, just in other countries. Where were you when the miners got fucked pointy?

cowgirls, in my own and family and friends' experience there are MANY EU nationals working in the NHS (my neighbour is one; my dad's consultant another; my last physio another –I could go on.)

Anyway, given that Theresa May seems to have quietly dropped the idea of cosying up to India, for one, since they gently suggested they might receive more relaxed visa rules in return for a good trade deal, I wonder if we might look forward to* fewer non-UK NHS staff of all stripes in the future.

*phrase used advisedly

Rhiannon Are you seriously suggesting that the NHS has more EU nationals working for it then non EU nationals?

Since when do.two wrongs make a right? And I was 10 at the time of the miners' strike. I am also not a UK national, I am an EU national. Few my parents (Dutch nationals, we were living in the UK temporarily at the time) marched against what was being done to the miners.

The point I was making is that here and now people will lose out from the loss of research. But apparently that's OK because, well , miners.