Is Anybody Making Personal Plans For Brexit?

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Very worried about it.

I have some savings, not loads, just a few thousand. I'm thinking maybe I should convert it into foreign currency. What do others think? I have a holiday aboard planned next year, I've converted all the spending money we'll need already and plan to pay for meals etc while we're there in cash.

I've been saving as much money as I can, our mortgage still has another eight years to run. I really need a new car and we had planned to get a new kitchen as ours is falling apart but don't think I can risk spending money on stuff like that now. At the same time I want to take my children abroad as much as we can now as I don't think we'll be able to afford to post 2019.

I wish we could leave the country for the EU but it's just not easy for us, no access to foreign passports, children settled in really good schools, and not easily transferable jobs.

For context, I'll almost certainly be losing my job because of Brexit in 2019, not sure what will happen with my husbands job, don't think he'll lose it but it will be negatively affected.

Is anybody else making plans to try to mitigate Brexit? If so any more suggestions for us?

You are maligning the people who have lost their livelihoods and voted for a radical change. That's why I make the point. And have some more fucking respect than to say 'well, miners.'

No, cowgirls. Just responding to your comment about only having come across one EU national with one of my own about my own, different experience.

You seem angry about my comment and I really don't know why. I'm not particularly arguing with you, just offering my own POV.

Rhiannon It’s great that we have EU and non EU nationals working in the nhs, but surely this puts pressure on other areas, I presume that the person working in the nhs will have a partner and children who will need a house, school, healthcare, dentist etc, the partner may have children here herself, it just seems more people need more people it’s a never ending whirlwind and what happens when these people reach old age and need more healthcare and even a pension

I presume that the person working in the nhs will have a partner and children

I'm no expert but I think I've read that a lot of non-UK nationals in the UK (particularly EU) are single with no dependents.

Pointy is hardly maligning anyone. Why is voting to lose many many more people their livelihoods something you are proud of?

Rank hypocrisy.

I am not angry at all. I am just sick of the aggression towards people who voted to leave (despite being a passionate remainer). I'm particularly sick to death about people screaming because their banker husband may have to work from the Frankfurt office.

The EU migrants tend to be young and single, healthy and so not requiring much of the NHS.

The non-EU migrants are much more likely to bring their extended families over, with little likelihood of a job, and often including elderly parents who may require considerable NHS care.

But apparently it's the EU migrants that are causing the problems in the NHS...

No Cardinal. I am a remainer, but what is rank hypocrisy is people like you not giving a fuck about people losing their jobs but stamping their little feet angrily when something like Brexit affects them.

Where is your evidence of that Cardinal? I think you are making this shit up.

You don't think that young, healthy people have children? My friend is an NHS dentist and she says that her lists are full of EU nationals wanting complex and expensive treatment. For the record, I don't begrudge that but many people working within the NHS do hence why some campaigned to leave.

Young healthy single people don't have as many children.

The evidence has been there for years. Try google.

Don't so ridiculous Cardinal. You are claiming that EU nationals per person cost less than non EU nationals per person? Where's your evidence?

cowgirls, you've lost me. I'm not being aggressive. I'm not 'screaming because [my] banker husband may have to work from the Frankfurt office' either.

Perhaps talk to someone else on the thread about these issues. I'm not your woman and I was just making a fairly idle comment about my own experience of NHS staff's nationalities.

We've just fixed our mortgage for only 3 years on the basis we might want/need to move to the EU soon(ish). We have money in the EU and US, and have been debating what to do with it.

Of a particular group of 6 families we know, 3 families have moved abroad this summer, all directly or indirectly due to Brexit, including: 2 (doctor) consultants, a specialist pharmacist, architects, engineers. We could be next.

Cowgirls funnily enough every single Dentist at my local large practice is an EU national!

So where are we now with personal plans for Brexit OP?

Are we still supposed to be resiliently adapting and formulating solutions, whilst whistling a cheery tune? Unless we're middle class and/or we're thinking about money, in which case whatever we're doing is evidence of hysteria, tantrums and selfishness?

My wonderful Polish, NHS dentist has just moved back to Poland. Will miss her as she was great.

My wonderful Polish, NHS dentist has just moved back to Poland. Will miss her as she was great

Did she save enough from our system to be able to set up her own practice back home?

There are EU national dentists. Obviously. Anecdotally your posts are interesting Rhiannon but otherwise they don't prove much. That's my point really. Lots of people on here are posting as if they have all the evidence and all the facts when in actual we all know square root of fuck all when it comes to knowing what will actually happen.

But shouldn't we have some idea of what will happen 16 months on from the Referendum? Some organisations, like airlines, will have to make some key decisions in the next few months. They just won't be able to cross their fingers and hope for the best.

cowgirls why is what happened to the miners almost 40 years ago terrible but what is happening to real people now not terrible? It's the same thing - job losses, livelihoods destroyed, the potential of protest stifled. Both these things are terrible but only one is happening right here and now. You seem to have a fixation on the miners for some reason that blinds you to the things that are happening to people now. I don't understand it. This is not about bankers having to relocate, this is about research nurses who are about doing the best for people who are ill. It's about people trying to keep small businesses afloat who are seeing the potential for tariffs which will kill off their businesses - and will possibly end up with people losing their homes. How is that OK just because of what happened to the miners? And what did the EU have to do with what happened to the miners? It was Maggie who destroyed their lives. Why is it not possible for you to feel empathy for people whose lives are being made harder now? Why can you only focus on the past? It makes no sense.

FWIW at my practice all the dentists are also EU nationals. And on my team of research practitioners, 20% (myself included) are EU nationals.

Some of us Remainers were equally angry about the miners, at the time, and one reason we voted remain was that we don't want to see whole industries devastated again.

Also if it was bad to see all the stuff that happened with the miniers strike etc... but everyone 'had to get in with it', why is it that in the case of Brexit, we should still have 'to get in with it' even though things are just as bad (or maybe worse TBH)?

If anything was to be learnt form the miners, is it not that we, the population, shouldnt just accept things when we know they are bad?

The miners are an example. The same thing happened to people in the cotton industry, garment making, high street butchers, people working in the insurance industry. I could go on. All of these people were expected to get on with it. There was little sympathy for their plight. They have experienced worry, uncertainty, financial hardship. You talk about your situation as if you are the first person to go through this. You are not. Don't expect people to care about you if you didn't care about them. That's harsh I know, but it's reality.

Dh and I have put our divorce on hold as I want an eu passport. I'm also v worried about his right to remain even though he's been here decades. DS gets his eu passport via his df so I hope he'll grow up to have the opportunities now denied to do many school/leavers.

I'll be stocking up on not uk products - just the staples) as the prices have already been increasing and it will get worse.