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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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Peregrina · 06/10/2017 07:15

I suppose you can detach yourself and feel sorry for May the person, but not May the politician. Almost all of what happened during her speech was bad luck, but calling and not properly winning an election wasn't bad luck, but was incompetence and that's really why she's being got at.

As for not being a good speaker - it comes with the job, and she needs to learn, and has had more than ample time to take some lessons. Similarly - her health isn't the best, but she has had time to learn how to conserve energy and should have learnt to prioritise, to minimise herself getting run down.

However, I think the rest of them are a total disgrace too. what beats me is why people vote for them.

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 06/10/2017 07:26

I seem to remember Corbyn getting a roasting for his first (and indeed quite shit) conference speech.

I do find the argument against PR that runs along the lines of "but with PR we would have had 100 UKIP MPs" incredibly tiresome. I've never heard anyone moan about that when it comes to the Greens or the LibDems so why do you get to decide which parties are acceptable and which are not? More to the point, it was a lack of representation that got us into this trouble in the first place.

woman11017 · 06/10/2017 07:43

Corbyn getting a roasting for his first (and indeed quite shit) conference speech.

Yeah, but he's not responsible for so many illegal deporations, deaths in deportation camps and racist attacks.

It was her Lady Macbeth moment. Words of reconciliation and equity choked her.

If she wasn't such a tawdry and parochial character, she'd be worth putting into a play.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/10/2017 07:49

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IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 06/10/2017 07:52

"It was her Lady Macbeth moment. Words of reconciliation and equity choked her."

Love it!

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:08

Grant Shapps has broken cover and is openly calling for leadership election. Ed Vaizey was close to it last night in the standard. These are more liberal tories. Gove is apparently scheduled to speak to defend May this morning on tv. (Think it's tv, its with the BBC).

My gut on that is Gove is on manoeuvres hoping someone else will do the dirty this time. He makes himself and Boris look better for standing by May.

I think the problem with a leadership election is, well every outcome. A win for the hard right, just fucks us as the liberal tories will most likely go with it because of fear of Corbyn. A win for a liberal tories sparks tory civil war and is more likely to trigger an election because the hard right are idiots and won't stand for a compromise. Which is why a liberal won't win. And compromise candidate is David Davis who is still my tip to win.

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thecatfromjapan · 06/10/2017 08:10

I have to say, having now had the joy of living the carnage, a handful of UKIP MPs, publicly displaying their complete shitness and subject to proper scrutiny, might have been a small price to pay for swerving the mess we're in now.

Of course, the key phrase is 'subject to proper scrutiny'. We were all failed in that department. I put the media's failure of seriousness down to complacency born of years of political stability + a failure to keep investing in investigative journalism - which we should start to think of as a 'public good', rather than a take-or-leave selling-point for newspapers/on-line clicks.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:10

Laura kuenssberg @ bbclaurak
Shapps out into the open - this could either bust rebellion open + increase calls for resignation
2. Or mess gets closed down with things more broken and bitter than before - unclear this morning

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HashiAsLarry · 06/10/2017 08:12

But could DD be PM on only 3 days a week?

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:13

You think Johnson would do more?

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thecatfromjapan · 06/10/2017 08:13

Yes, RTB. The analysis I've seen puts DD as the choice of the liberal wing of the Conservatives.

Depressing times.

I do wonder what the business donors of the Conservatives are going to make of all this. If there was a Tony Blair at the helm of Labour at the moment, there is no doubt they would be defecting to Labour in droves. But there isn't. That doesn't seem to be what people want.

Well, it's interesting.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:15

Election data @ election_data
Not saying the PM is in huge trouble but Grant Shapps is calling for her to go and Michael Gove is leading her defence 😳
Ultimately it comes down to whether the PM has the energy to keep going with this. I don't see much light at the end of the tunnel tbh

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:17

To illustrate why a liberal won't get the job

Nadine Dorries @ nadinedorries
The plot is by remain MPs to topple the PM, destroy Boris and put a remain leader in place to delay and possibly destroy #Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:18

In reply to Dorries tweet

Laura Kuenssberg @ bbclaurak
Plotters insist it's not about Brexit - numbers include Leavers, but this is suspicion

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:27

Rafael Behr @
So much now depends on May's chief of staff and chief whip. Gavins Barwell and Williamson. This is the name Gavin's finest hour. Gavocracy.
This period will be recalled as the Gaviregnum.

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lalalonglegs · 06/10/2017 08:30

There was a Tory MP/commentator on Today (didn't hear his name) who said that No 10 would be delighted that Grant Schapps was in charge of the coup as that would almost guarantee its failure Grin. Still, we're talking about Theresa May here, the woman who threw away a 24-point lead in a couple of months...

thecatfromjapan · 06/10/2017 08:30

Brexit. Where we get to watch the most important political crisis facing the UK in generations dealt with by the barrel scrapings of a desperate Party.

Trufflethewuffle · 06/10/2017 08:34

Why has Gove got a sort of green halo on BBC breakfast this morning? Has Hallowe'en come early?

nauticant · 06/10/2017 08:38

Nadine Dorries' massive teenage crush on Boris Johnson is one of the most cringe-worthy spectacles of today's politics.

Like much other stuff, if there stakes weren't stratospheric it would be hilarious.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:41

The view so far from twitter this morning:

Matt chorley @ mattchorley
This could go either way. And depends rather a lot on how much people like Grant Shapps.

Margot James MP @ margotjamesmp
Charles Walker right @BBCr4today since road trip turmoil under his party chairmanship Grant Shapps lacks a base in the party

BBC radio 4 today @ bbcr4today
"No.10 must be delighted to learn it's Grant Shapps leading alleged coup"

Vice-chairman of the Tory 1922 committee Charles Walker

Eurosluggard @ eurosluggard
Conspiracy theorists might conclude that wheeling out a plotter as despised as Grant Shapps is a Machiavellian move to shore up Theresa May.

David Prescott @ davidprescott
Grant Shapps says he wants to avoid embarrassing May in getting 48 signatures by asking her to go "privately." Live on @BBCr4today

Mark pritchard mp @ mpritchard uk
Attempts to drum up a delegation of 30 MPs to try & force PM out - will fail. Also cowardly. If any MPs want her out - there is 1922 process

Arj singh @ singharj
Tory warning to MPs trying to get round rules to oust May. Pritchard adds to PA: those with "premature" ambitions should "put up or shut up"

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IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 06/10/2017 08:43

"However, I think the rest of them are a total disgrace too. what beats me is why people vote for them."

People vote for them because they believe in the 'deserving and non deserving' ideology refusing to acknowledge the privileges people are born into determine so much of our 'luck'. I believe many British (English?) people are stuck in a basic victorian frame of mind.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:44

And something to cheer you up

Bbc essex @ bbcessex
@Nigel_Farage has sold fewer tickets for his appearance at @PrincesTheatre in #Clacton than an Elvis tribute act

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2017 08:45

Tom Rayner @ Raynerskynews
Michael Gove says he's "not aware" of anything other than "universal desire" of Cabinet for May to continue as leader

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LewisThere · 06/10/2017 08:52

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d1617d6-a875-11e7-b9a3-2cac9d6c85bd

It's the Times so with paywall but just the start of th article is worth it
Households have endured the longest period of falling living standards in six years since the vote to leave the European Union, according to official data.

Per person, real disposable household income shrank by 1.1 per cent in the 12 months to June, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. It was the fourth consecutive quarter of decline, which statisticians said was “the longest period of consistent negative growth since the end of 2011”.

Another very big warning light.
When will the population wake up and say NO MORE??
Surely that should be affecting people enough that they would want to react and do something about it?

Violetparis · 06/10/2017 08:53

Wonder if Theresa May will get to the point soon where she thinks I've had enough of this and quits on her own accord.