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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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lonelyplanetmum · 05/10/2017 10:16

Well if there isn't a natural successor they'll have to go for an unnatural one. Not sure who's the most unnatural one.

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 10:20

I did feel a modicum of pity for her yesterday

Argh !!!!! Shock

Why ? How many meals, how much medicine, how many lives could have been changed for the better if 1/10th of what was spent on a circle-jerk for the rich and privileged had gone into the society she claims to believe in ?

I'm not saying there aren't any circumstances, where I could feel something other than contempt. But they would have to start with her admitting to the nation (which, last time I looked had 4 countries making it up) that almost everything she has done as Prime Minster and everything she did as Home Secretary made life worse for more people than it made better. And then perhaps work in a soup kitchen for the rest of her career.

Motheroffourdragons · 05/10/2017 10:28

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Peregrina · 05/10/2017 10:29

I did feel a modicum of pity for her yesterday

I didn't. If she'd not decided to call an election, obviously with the hope of doing Corbyn and Labour down, she wouldn't have lost her authority and would have been able to ride out a Conference even with her cold.

Definitely Karma.

HashiAsLarry · 05/10/2017 10:31

I felt sympathy for her having to do that speech with the cough, as an asthmatic I've ridden the hell of having to pretend you're fine at work whilst wanting to claw your throat out many a time.

But that was it.

Sadly the cough is detracting from the rest of the car crash that speech was.

Violetparis · 05/10/2017 10:36

I felt it all, karma, that she deserves it, amusement, etc and also pity. Not sure what that says about me.

Motheroffourdragons · 05/10/2017 10:37

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LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 10:38

No, I felt bad for feeling the pity - it was kind of the same way I felt when Thatcher lost the leadership - I despised the woman, but I could still feel a bit sorry for her the way things turned out.

I'm starting to feel like the German at the end of "Fawlty Towers" (you know the one Grin)

How on earth did they win the war ?

For all Thatchers faux-blubbing on the news, remember the back story. She fucked off to Paris (against advice). She believed she would win the first round (she didn't). And then she immediately announced her candidacy for the second round before consulting with anyone - even the people she called "her closest advisers". So not that close then. She was entirely an architect of her own downfall in the way it happened. Not worth a moments thought.

For the love of God, if all it takes for tyrants to continue is a moist eye and possibly stage-managed incompetence then the UK deserves Brexit and the misery it brings.

I guess there will always feel a tad sorry that Hitler and Eva Braun never really got a honeymoon ? Whilst forgetting that the Goebbels murdered their seven children for him ?

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 10:39

Harsh bunch

Not as fucking harsh as ATOS or Capita or Job Centre sanctions

prettybird · 05/10/2017 10:41

Another blog

https://mewsingoutloud.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/uck-up/

Interesting that her bangle of portraits included a communist leader Confused

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 10:54

Phew, that tide of Brexit bad news is finally turning ...

PRANK: Of course not.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41509191

Sales of new cars in the UK fell sharply in September, a move that an industry body has said will cause "considerable concern".
New car registrations last month numbered 426,170, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said.
The figure was down 9.3% from September last year, while diesel sales - which have been hit by worries over air quality - fell by 21.7%.
It was the first time in six years that the key September market had fallen.Sales of new cars in the UK fell sharply in September, a move that an industry body has said will cause "considerable concern".
New car registrations last month numbered 426,170, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said.
The figure was down 9.3% from September last year, while diesel sales - which have been hit by worries over air quality - fell by 21.7%.
It was the first time in six years that the key September market had fallen.

(contd).

So where is any good news yet ?

BiglyBadgers · 05/10/2017 10:55

For the love of God, if all it takes for tyrants to continue is a moist eye and possibly stage-managed incompetence then the UK deserves Brexit and the misery it brings.

I think you are going too far lurking. Being able to feel sorry for another person's misfortune, even if they are a horrible person, is what makes me confident that I am a better person than May and BoJo. Feeling sorry for someone clearly having an excruciating experience doesn't mean I forgive them their sins. My pity is not limited to a certain number of issues and feeling some pity for May does not take pity away from others who deserve it more.

I also have no problem with people feeling pity for May because very few people vote for a leader they pity. Pitiable is not at the top of anyone's list of key leadership attributes. So I am glad that they feel pity for her because conservative leaders who are pitied are likely to be put out of their misery far sooner than conservative leaders who are hated.

nauticant · 05/10/2017 10:58

The main reason why I think the car crash element has been focused on is that most people feel that the contents of the speech are irrelevant. They were platitudes or (proto-)policies from a PM who is likely to be out of the door soon and replaced by someone who will have their own very different platitudes and policies.

The fundamental thing is that Theresa May is in a position where she had nothing to offer beyond words she says simply to delay the inevitable.

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 10:58

Wrist slapped Grin.

It's this damn war !!!!

BiglyBadgers · 05/10/2017 10:59
Grin
RhiannonOHara · 05/10/2017 11:02

Tory MPs don't agree on who a natural successor is, and a leadership election could open a Pandora's Box with untold consequences.

I think this is actually the biggest problem.

Completely agree. Who else is there? Rudd? Shock Leadsom? Shock Johnson? Shock Shock REES-MOGG!?!? Shock Shock Shock

Violetparis · 05/10/2017 11:02

BiglyBadgers well said.

BiglyBadgers · 05/10/2017 11:04

The only reason May didn't get chucked straight after the election was that the had nobody to replace her with. That still stands unless they decide she is no longer the least worst option.

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 11:08

Never has the phrase "hostage to fortune" been so appropriate.

Events, dear boy. Events

GaspodeWonderCat · 05/10/2017 11:23

LH
It's this damn war !!!! quotes from the Cruel Sea (Jack Hawkins)?

'it's the war, the whole bloody war! We've just got to do these things and say our prayers at the end.'
www.imdb.com/title/tt0045659/quotes
Snorkers, good oh ...

borntobequiet · 05/10/2017 11:31

The person who has learned the most from Trump is Boris Johnson. He has realised that he can say anything he likes and people will believe him. That's why he's still repeating the £350 million lie and why he is no longer trying to conceal his true nature, which is that of a scheming, duplicitous, power hungry scumbag.

nauticant · 05/10/2017 11:35

I think repeating the £350 million lie is rather effective. It puts off no one on his side because they simply view it as a symbol and it drives the other side into a frenzy where they expend their energy in many directions to little effect. What the middle make of it is unclear but as Trump shows, these are the times when the masses are preferring populist showmen to people who view themselves as right thinking.

nauticant · 05/10/2017 11:38

Thinking about it, Trump's version of the £350 million lie got Clinton to come out with "basket of deplorables" which did cause many in the middle ground to shift away from her.

LurkingHusband · 05/10/2017 11:46

It's this damn war !!!! quotes from the Cruel Sea (Jack Hawkins)?

Actually, I was thinking of either "Forrest Gump", or "Blackadder goes Forth" (Rik Mayall Grin )

DrivenToDespair · 05/10/2017 11:58

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