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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 16:27

Turkish Minute @ TurkishMinuteTM
ErdoÄŸan: Turkey no longer needs European Union
www.turkishminute.com/2017/10/01/erdogan-turkey-does-not-need-european-union/amp/

Wow. Never saw that coming. I was totally convinced they were joining the EU.

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pointythings · 02/10/2017 16:48

Fucking hell, I've been 100% bilingual since I was 10 years old. Moggy can fuck right off.

LurkingHusband · 02/10/2017 16:50

ErdoÄŸan: Turkey no longer needs European Union

Well, with the UK out of the EU, he's cutting out the middleman ....

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 17:10

Laura Kuenssberg @ bbclaurak
Minister @DrPhillipLeeMP compares the NHS to a 'Ponzi scheme' - many might agree with him, but certainly a brave suggestion to make
Lee also says Tories 'we have to fundamentally revisit what it means to be a Conservative in the 21st century.', party has a 'trust problem'

Remember that MP who offered the NHS money for Brexit?

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LurkingHusband · 02/10/2017 17:11

I wonder how events in Catalunya fit in with one of the Leave campaigns suggestions that the EU wasn't needed to keep peace in Europe ?

I mention that, because I've seen a comment elsewhere from someone who said they "never expected to see scenes like that in Europe."

A while back, I posted about the older leave voter. I didn't balance that with my experience of an OAP in 1991 (Maastricht) who had been taken POW in 1940 and forced to march west in 1944/45 as the Red Army advanced. He said every town was devastated with bodies everywhere. He was passionately pro-EEC/EC/EU.

LewisThere · 02/10/2017 17:13

Yay of course. I came with a job to the uk wo even knowing how to speak English....
I even manage to fool people when I did the interview in English.

Ignorant twat.

LewisThere · 02/10/2017 17:13

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/i-accuse-ac-grayling-s-denunciation-of-britain-s-craven-politicians-1-5218037

I'm wondering if Grayling will get any answers.....

LurkingHusband · 02/10/2017 17:16

I'm wondering if Grayling will get any answers.....

By echoing a Belgian author ? Probably not from Leavers ...

prettybird · 02/10/2017 17:18

The thing I don't understand about complaints about how much the NHS costs/likening it to a Ponzi scheme is that at the end of the day, someone will incur these costs. We will all be old one day. Any of us could get cancer/be in an accident/have a heart attack. Confused

It's not as if these costs go away (in fact, if you go to a private scheme, costs go up as you need to include the administrative costs). Confused

Or are they advocating euthanasia or just not treating the ill? Hmm

LewisThere · 02/10/2017 17:30

Or are they advocating euthanasia or just not treating the ill?
When you are happy to let 30.000 people die because of benefits and NHS cuts, you've reduced the number of beds available and you are happy for your country to stay in a situation of 'humanitarian crisis', I think that's exactely what they are already doing.

You have money, you pay, you will live.

DIsclaimer: my pov 'might' be affected by my parents experience where my dad only got diagnosed with cancer because he went private. GP refused to send him for a biopsy.....

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 17:45

The poor and young don't vote Tory. Why pay for health care for them?

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Tugtupite · 02/10/2017 17:46

Long time threadgoer, new user name...

You have money, you pay, you will live.

I believe this is the destination 100%. Many people here don't seem to comprehend how fast we're hurtling towards that. But having lived in country where this is already reality, I am pretty sure we're well on our way...economic "natural selection" is simply the logical conclusion of a far-right Tory manifesto which de-prioritizes benefits, NHS and care for elderly. Nice touch with state pension increases too...and all perfectly in line with their delightful vision for post-Brexit Britain as a low-tax =low state funds economy.

Ugh.

Tugtupite · 02/10/2017 17:48

*de-prioritizes benefits for the sick and disabled, I meant to write.

Cailleach1 · 02/10/2017 17:57

Thanks for the graphs, BigChoc. EU is far and away the largest market for the UK. He must have just forgotten to mention that. I suspect the 4% to Switzerland involves the gold bars, as per the Sky programme.

Price rises, shrinkflation (love jaffas) and businesses finding any extra pressure leading to a crisis, like Monarch. People still pretending it is only going to be great. Businesses acting to provide their own clarity in the absence of the gov't providing one may lead to revenue loss. Job loss, too. The pigs ear thing was on J O'Brien. It took a different turn. A caller was going on about better parts of the pig staying in the country after Brexit 'cos they mostly have to go to China now seemingly. And British people have to watch them go. The EU is at fault, of course. He was going on like there a shortage of pork in the UK or something? I have no trouble getting it.

Of course, I hope hardship is averted in the event of Brexit, but I have no faith/trust whatsoever that will be because of the current gov't or the crowd who seem to flex their muscle behind the scenes.

TheElementsSong · 02/10/2017 17:57

Just caught up with today's posts, ShockGrin to see that we've been suggested selling pigs' ears to China as a Brexit benefit. Which in no way constitutes barrel-scraping, of course!

mobile.twitter.com/IWasInThe48/status/914809764139474944

TheElementsSong · 02/10/2017 17:58

And sympathies for those affected by Monarch going bust Sad

woman11017 · 02/10/2017 18:03

Tate and Lyle promoting tories or vice versa.

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
woman11017 · 02/10/2017 18:06

Didn't tories used to be the 'natural party of government' on this island?

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
lalalonglegs · 02/10/2017 18:15

Oh no, that picture of the conference hall is tragic Shock

BiglyBadgers · 02/10/2017 18:23

The poor and young don't vote Tory. Why pay for health care for them?

I met a young Tory voters today..at uni...studying mental health nursing...Shock

Needless to say when she declared that she would rather have Boris Johnson as prime minister than Corbyn everyone else in the group looked distinctly awkward and somewhat bemused. She is very young so I am assuming that her parents are avid Tory voters and she has yet to develop any critical thinking or understand what the Tories are doing to the NHS. Either that or she wants to work in the private sector when she registers. Hmm

SwedishEdith · 02/10/2017 18:26

Tory MP tells unemployed Brits to 'get on your bike' and work on farms with 'gorgeous EU women' #cpc17

That Tory MP is Craig Mackinlay, he of the 'Tory MP Craig Mackinlay to face trial over election expenses fraud charges' infamy

LurkingHusband · 02/10/2017 18:29

Tory MP tells unemployed Brits to 'get on your bike'

I suspect he's confused Goves plan for recycling plastic bottles, with recycling policies.

I should write for The Mash Report ...

QuentinSummers · 02/10/2017 18:29

Just got properly annoyed by Gove on the radio saying the "implementation period" is necessary to let businesses do all they need to before we Brexit.
No mention of the fact that no-one has a scooby whats going on. And no mention of all the stuff Govt have to do. Nope, just those pesky unprepared businesses.

woman11017 · 02/10/2017 18:32

Good luck with the course, Bigly Smile