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Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2017 15:08

May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2017 09:20

Everything This is a good history article on the Troubles, plus a brief section at the start on the original Partition of `ireland:

www.theirishstory.com/2015/02/09/the-northern-ireland-conflict-1968-1998-an-overview/#.WcyvYNHRafA

woman11017 · 28/09/2017 09:27

but the car had UK plates take care BCF, Wearing my EU badge takes a bit of forethought and planning. It shouldn't be like that. I remember southerners being like that when I wore 'Coal not Dole' badge. (As in a male ripping it off me in a pub in Hampshire)

Political decision generally have greater impact and effect on women.
Yep, red no need for women and BME people to raise our political consciousness, we live it, certainly over the last 30 years in this country.

Great post, thanks math. Wonder if it's the similar in Glasgow? Certainly was in the 1960s/70s/80s with vast underfunded Catholic estates, and high achieving Catholic youngsters in Catholic schools.
In the debate about SNP v Tory v Labour in Scotland, I wonder if the perceived sectarian ambivalence of labour to its Catholic roots in Scotland is another nail in its coffin. My very limited insights based on friend from large Catholic estate on outskirts of Glasgow and what I saw myself from living presbyterian area in 1960s/70s. And observing the political journeys of people like Jimmy Reid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Reid

Peregrina · 28/09/2017 09:37

Someone really needs to work out what the shelf life of this referendum is. I really can't see any reason it should be more than 5 years (given our electoral system). But I can think of a few reasons why it should be less than 5 years.

I think there's also a case to be made that the 2017 election wipes out the referendum.

I have to agree with both these statements. Just how long are we going to parrot that it's the will of the people? I certainly felt that the 2017 election wiped out the desire for a hard Brexit. May, for public consumption at least, didn't agree. I assume that to acknowledge that the will of the population is changing, the Tories will have to lose their DUP propped up majority, but there is not going to be a lot of point if say a Labour politician of the same stripe as Kate Hoey is elected in place.

woman11017 · 28/09/2017 09:38

Agree, Peregrina an ill informed decision, which is already out of date.

prettybird · 28/09/2017 10:08

Embery says free movement is "the embodiment of capitalism... treating workers like copper or coffee."

So workers should know their place - and that place is constrained by the boundaries of their country. Hmm

Embery says workers rights are protected by the EU but dismisses this because he says their real aim is neoliberalism

Who cares about workers' rights? My prejudice and historic dislike trumps that. Hmm

RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 10:25

And this is where we are now up to:

James O'Brien‏*@mrjamesob*

The next stage of Brexit will be bogus victimhood: Why is America being mean? Why won't the EU give us what we want? Waaaah. It's not fair.

Law and policy‏*@davidallengreen*
Bombardier issue shows up shallow thinking and delusions of UK in...oh sod it, here are pandas going down a slide:

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 10:28

Can wait for Trump's state visit...

Enemy of the liberal elite. Enemy of the Brexiteers.

Still. Nig still loves him. And I'm sure Julian hasn't got much in his diary.

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borntobequiet · 28/09/2017 10:38

It's a good question, isn't it? Why has Trump...anything?
No one knows.

woman11017 · 28/09/2017 10:48

And this is where we are now up to
:
@JolyonMaugham
I hate you. And I hate you too. Goes to room. Slams door.

RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 10:48

Billy Bragg‏ @billybragg
The @FT get it, but will Leave voters ever realise they have painted us all into a corner by opting for Brexit?

Billy Bragg. That well known capitalist pig.

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 10:51

It's a good question, isn't it? Why has Trump...anything?
No one knows.

Except everyone he's screwed. Which is, well, pretty much anyone who isn't rich, white and doesn't agree with him and doesn't do what he wants without question.

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woman11017 · 28/09/2017 11:08

Crickety Wickety is back:

^Michael Gove seeking way to end 'bonkers' felling of Sheffield trees
Environment secretary hopes for ‘decent conversation’ with council, but says he is also exploring ‘legal or policy avenues^

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/28/michael-gove-seeking-way-to-end-bonkers-felling-of-sheffield-trees

While, what were public owned trees are given to elf friends of crickety wickety.

One school every two weeks gets government go-ahead to sell off land or playing fields

schoolsweek.co.uk/one-school-every-two-weeks-gets-government-go-ahead-to-sell-off-part-of-playing-fields/

It's National Poetry day today.
In The Jaberwocky, I had misremembered as having the line:
'slithy Gove'

He is though.

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/evil-woodland-folk-demand-return-of-gove-20160420108149

Evil woodland folk demand return of Gove

RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:10

Here we go folks. European Parliament and the sticky transition deal:

Peter Foster‏*@pmdfoster*

From the European Parliaments draft resolution on Brexit, which will be voted on before Tory conference.

"insists that such a transition period can only be agreed provided that a fully-fledged withdrawal agreement covering all the issues pertaining to the United Kingdom's withdrawal is concluded."

Section from EP draft resolution re May 'fix' on citizens. What think?

"allows EU citizens to invoke the withdrawal agreement rights directly before United Kingdom courts and public administration, and gives it primacy over United Kingdom law; underlines that in order to guarantee the coherence and integrity of the EU legal order, the ECJ must remain the sole competent authority for interpreting and enforcing European Union law and the withdrawal agreement; awaits concrete proposals from the United Kingdom in that regard"

Section on Ireland

"notes on the other hand that in her speech of 22 September 2017 the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom excluded any physical infrastructure at the border which presumes that the United Kingdom stays in the internal market and customs union or that Northern Ireland stays in some form in the internal market and customs union."

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:12

Peter Foster‏*@pmdfoster*

And lastly. Pre-emptive on October progress.

"unless there is a major breakthrough in line with this resolution in all three areas during the fifth negotiation round, to decide at its October meeting to postpone its assessment on whether sufficient progress has been made".

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woman11017 · 28/09/2017 11:14

Charlie Falconer‏Verified account
@LordCFalconer
Foreign Sec in breach of min code (7.12) in allowing FCO to be venue for launch of Institute of Free Trade which conflicts with govt policy.

RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:14

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
European Parliament may vote to reject "sufficient progress" on Brexit - so no trade talks yet - about an hour before PM conf speech on Wed

Wednesday's going to be fun then.

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:22

David Davis now talking about this weeks round 5 talks

Matthew Holehouse‏**@mattholehouse**
UK has proposed "guaranteed rights of return" for EU in UK, in exchange for "onward movement" rights of UK to other EU states
David Davis uses the words May did not over implementing withdrawal agreement in domestic law: "Direct effect."
Davis on UK's budget obligations: “We are not yet at the stage of specifying exactly what these are.”

Catherine Hardy‏*@fernojay*
"Constructive discussion about N.Ireland and Ireland. Special circumstances. Welcome recent guiding principles. Common travel agreements"

The DUP are going to love this.

Matthew Holehouse‏**@mattholehouse**

Barnier: “The PM’s speech has created a new dynamic in these negotiations, and we have felt this this week.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-uk-ambassadors_uk_59b635dde4b0b5e53107175f?utm_hp_ref=uk&ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001
Donald Trump Could Seriously Damage The UK/US Relationship, These Ex-British Ambassadors Warn
The ‘dangerous’ 45th president compares unfavourably to Obama, Carter and W. Bush.

You don't say.

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:24

Theo Barclay‏*@StevenTikolo*

"direct effect" are words with very big implications for the EU. Domestic audience may not appreciate this but it has v specific eu meaning

Matthew Holehouse‏*@mattholehouse*

Indeed it does. A massive u-turn from HMG lawyers.

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:26

Foreign Sec in breach of min code (7.12) in allowing FCO to be venue for launch of Institute of Free Trade which conflicts with govt policy.

He might be.

But to take action requires someone to take an axe to Boris, which might help him.

Nothing will happen.

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RedToothBrush · 28/09/2017 11:27

Its Beano or Bust.

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woman11017 · 28/09/2017 11:33

Pretty aggressive BBC question gets a Barnier answer in crisp French with no subtitles. Grin

woman11017 · 28/09/2017 11:48

Wednesday's going to be fun then
What do you bet she has full orchestra, army and a vera lynn type ready to do the tory show after the EU27 give UK the thumbs down.
Or Nigel Farage in his chosen outfit, doing what he threatened if brexit didn't go his way?

BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2017 12:30

red's Huff link on Trump gives worrying ambassadorial assessments of Trump

  • quite apart from him not being a reliable friend to the UK:

"In the past, the president and the grown-ups were part of a single organic unit.
What we have now is a president who goes in one direction and the grown ups who go in another.

That is a structural problem for everybody in the universe who has to conduct relations with the US.

Donald Trump is singularly ill-equipped to be president...
It makes the Russians and Chinese jumpy.
It’s added to the instability of world affairs and that is what is dangerous."

BigChocFrenzy · 28/09/2017 12:33

Dual fault lines in world stability, in that both the US and UK have incompetent and delusional government,
with a populace that mostly wants to hear only these delusions

HashiAsLarry · 28/09/2017 12:54

Tories were not ready for snap election says TM politics home

My favourite comment:
Bit of a 'not being ready for things you decided the date of' theme emerging here