Westminstenders: The Maddest of May and Boris's Dare

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Boris Johnson just dared May to fire him.

That's what his little rant about £350 million buses is.

Meanwhile its been pointed out that HMRC literally are incapable of handling a no deal and can only cope with an EEA / EFTA deal with no tariffs.

And given how good and on time the government are with computer systems even in a best case scenario are extremely unlikely to crack it in time.

Which makes Hammond's talk of a civil contingence plan, look, well half arsed and lacking.

We also wouldn't have planes able to fly to Europe under a no deal as we would no longer be part of Open Skies. This could leave thousands stranded. But no biggie there.

Meanwhile if the Leave Alliance have things right, May is about to serve our one year notice on leaving the EEA making all these things a reality.

Which is less like shooting yourself in the head and more like shooting yourself in the head, chest, foot, arm, leg and face (for a second time), whilst being run over at the same time.

But hey, Boris Johnson has it sussed in his 10 point plan. Especially the point where he says Brexit will be a success.

If you call success ending democracy, becoming a dictatorship, starving everyone, bankrupting the country and causing civil unrest.

Rule Britannia.

Hey, anybody have any good recipes for patriotic Brexit turnips stuffed with kale?

If someone was in your house and they said they desperately wanted to leave, what would you do?

I think this may be one of the most deranged comparisons I have ever seen. Congratulations!

EternalOptimistToo Sun 17-Sep-17 12:22:52
Fwiw people in France are uncomfortable about that idea NOT because they are taking jobs from french people

How do you know this?

But because they see that as hugely unfair on the Poles coming over to be forced to work for what would less than the minimum wage
Again, how do you know this? I agree btw. Anti-immigrant feeling (from my personal experience) is far more vocal and virulent in France and The Netherlands in particular than I have ever encountered it in the UK. If you have the economic disparities you have (between say Bulgaria and the economies of Western Europe), it is not surprising that you will see an influx of labour from there.
BTW the population of Bulgaria is set to half (that's right, reduce by 50% over the next few decades due to a plummeting birth rate, almost zero immigration and massive emigration). I wonder who is going to be picking the fruit and vegetables in Bulgaria, or cleaning the offices.

If someone was in your house and they said they desperately wanted to leave, what would you do?
As stupid as this analogy is, the person most likely to do that would be a teenager of whom we'd probably have parental responsibility for. So as a responsible decent person I'd neither kick them out, facilitate them leaving or encourage them to do so.
Which is lucky because I'm sure social services would take a dim view of me letting them or forcing them to leave because they were talking down the household.

Oh look, the who's picking fruit argument that's been answered several times. Probably in too many words, too few soundbites and facts.

@technicallyron
Vote Leave: We never said 350million
Farage: We never said 350million
Brexiteers: We never said 350 million

Boris: Lol we totally did tho

You can exchange 350million for almost all the other brexiteer lies, definitely works for 'short term' too.

HashiAsLarry Sun 17-Sep-17 13:35:51
If someone was in your house and they said they desperately wanted to leave, what would you do?
The person most likely to do that would be a teenager of whom we'd probably have parental responsibility for.

I don't believe Badders is a teenager. I certainly don't have any kind of parental responsibility for her.

Parental Responsibility for an adult is actually Patriarchal Oppression so shame on you. I believe Badders is a mature adult with efficacy and choices.

@steve_hawkes
Boris adds "energy, enthusiasm and sometimes entertainment" to the Cabinet, Amber Rudd says

@hrtbps
It'd be cheaper and probably more politically astute to just let a toddler attend cabinet meetings.

I made some soda bread yesterday
You made an Irish recipe, Bigly? What is keeping you in the UK?

No, own your analogy and embrace its shitness. We're only allowed to take you literally remember and you words were 'someone in your house'
So that's not badders in her own house.
You don't get to moan about your words being twisted and then that they aren't being twisted.
But yes, the government does have a responsibilities to its citizens much as a a parent does to their child under PR.

Kilgore I do know because I am french and I still have very strong ties with France. I know because I still read the news there very regularly, far more often than most Brits read their own newspaper in the uk.
See what Misti said. She is abrit in France and has the same pov than me. France is NOT difficult to settle in.

Now I do have a question for you. Where on earth do you get the idea that yoU do know what is happening in France??

Amongst the most stupid things to see happening

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-democracy-commits-suicide-the-sheffield-trees_us_59ba7b4ee4b06b71800c3707?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003

So in Sheffield all the mature trees are being fell.
The council has used any and every power under the sun to stop people from protesting against it, incl actually arresting people (that were then released wo charge....).
All that because? they signed a contract which took away all of their own oversight powers.

Here is democracy being given away....

Are we doing the same thing with Brexit I wonder??

eternal because that's what dm and Farage say, and they know more than you possibly could of course

hashi yes I know. I'm trying hard to step back. But I have to say sometimes, these comments make my blood boil.
Esp when they are coming with 'we need to control immigration but that's not why I voted to leave the EU'

Here is democracy being given away....

Democracy is being given away, with the blessing of people who trumpet loudly about loving democracy (whilst demanding that political opponents shut up or leave the country, denouncing the judiciary upholding the sovereignty of Parliament as enemies of the people, and eagerly approving the indefinite removal of power away from Parliament).

Kilgore, I don't really understand your question.

Don't feed em' and they will get reassigned elsewhere.

Eternal anyone getting their news from English language media won't have the faintest clue about anything country specific in the EU.

Eternal we have had a situation with our Libraries not being under direct Council control. They keep on insisting they are not subject to freedom of information requests. Since they are an organisation fully owned by the council they actually are.

Getting them to comply with the law is a whole different ball game.

I do think councils are trying every possible trick to make sure decision making isn't transparent and isn't done directly by them so parties can't be held responsible for controversial decisions and can blame it on a third party.

The damage this is doing to democracy is horrendous. It has wide implications for trust in public office and those who do try and make decisions openly.

No one is really grasping what this may lead to. Its not pretty. It leaves the door open to more sinister and dangerous outcomes.

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Chair of @UKStatsAuth writes to @borisjohnson to express "surprise and disappointment" at his "clear misuse of official statistics" re £350m
.@UKStatsAuth has statutory obligation to "promote/safeguard" stats that "serve the public good" incl "publicly challenging misuse of stats"
When this has happened in the past to a Cabinet min (rare) previous Home Secs and Number 10 have had to apologise for misuse of stats

1/4 Actually this is really quite interesting - when UK Stats Auth previously admonished Cabinet minister for "misuse of statistics" ...
2/4 here Sir Michael Scholar on different "misuse" but a "misuse" nonetheless that was "outlawed" by new Code of Practice for Official Stats
3/4 Code: "the last word on statistical matters must always be with the Department's professional statisticians" - so FCO statisticians ...
4/4: @UKStatsAuth had a go at misleading £350m/week before - difference now is that as Foreign Sec, bound by Code of Practice & this Note:

My feeling about this, is its not legally biding, so nothing will happen. May is too weak to take action and Johnson hasn't got enough honour to resign or merely apologise.

Interesting to see this is the case - and much of a case here for legally binding measures to be introduced instead of an unenforceable code of conduct.

Hetan Shah‏*@HetanShah*
For those unfamiliar with the language of regulators, 'surprised and disappointed' is turning the dial to 11

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www.ft.com/content/4b5df528-9ac9-11e7-8cd4-932067fbf946
Boris Johnson’s Brexit intervention is a challenge to Theresa MayPremium
The UK foreign secretary appears to be challenging the prime minister's authority, writes Sebastian Payne

It could be part of a good cop/bad cop strategy. Mrs May is expected to project a warmer tone towards the EU in her keynote speech in Florence next week, in which she will discuss the so-called “Brexit bill” and her vision for a transition deal.

and

According to one Cabinet minister, the foreign secretary has a significant difference of opinion on a transition period. He has been advocating a period of just six months, whereas Mrs May and his fellow ministers envisage two years. "Of all of us around the Cabinet table, Boris was the only one who protested at the length of the transition and he is the most paranoid that Brexit just won't happen" one minister says.

Today 13:53 EternalOptimistToo
I do know because I am french
So why are you so bothered about Brexit? The French aren't leaving the EU yet.

RhiannonOHara
Badders08 has said, and I am quoting directly, I desperately want to leave.
I am just curious as to what your reaction to this is?

I'm hoping you're trying to be humorous there Kil because that comment doesn't make any sense.

Asking why someone is worried about Brexit if they're not British but live in the UK? Is that what you were saying to Eternal