Westminstenders: The Maddest of May and Boris's Dare

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Boris Johnson just dared May to fire him.

That's what his little rant about £350 million buses is.

Meanwhile its been pointed out that HMRC literally are incapable of handling a no deal and can only cope with an EEA / EFTA deal with no tariffs.

And given how good and on time the government are with computer systems even in a best case scenario are extremely unlikely to crack it in time.

Which makes Hammond's talk of a civil contingence plan, look, well half arsed and lacking.

We also wouldn't have planes able to fly to Europe under a no deal as we would no longer be part of Open Skies. This could leave thousands stranded. But no biggie there.

Meanwhile if the Leave Alliance have things right, May is about to serve our one year notice on leaving the EEA making all these things a reality.

Which is less like shooting yourself in the head and more like shooting yourself in the head, chest, foot, arm, leg and face (for a second time), whilst being run over at the same time.

But hey, Boris Johnson has it sussed in his 10 point plan. Especially the point where he says Brexit will be a success.

If you call success ending democracy, becoming a dictatorship, starving everyone, bankrupting the country and causing civil unrest.

Rule Britannia.

It's really tempting to think that some powerful possibly foreign string pullers are out to destroy the UK by means of Brexit. I mean why else would the government take such a self destructive and impossible approach to it all. . But large parts of the English population are very insular in their outlook and really rather entitled in their world views. I have sensed people being quite xenophobic for many years it isn't anything new. The idea of multiculturalism is offensive to these people and Brexit like a new found religion, which they can believe in. The focus on everything British by retailers (Waitrose is very big on British branding but all the other supermarkets do it too) all the vintage TV programmes of late (Call the midwife for example) all celebrate that golden era of the 1950s where there were few immigrants.

*all celebrate that golden era of the 1950s where there were few immigrants and life in England was good for the English. It's as if someone is using this nationalism to make the UK self destruct.

or maybe I can just not fathom how a party can mismanage a country to such an extend.

Norway Model Norway Model Norway Model

If we just negotiated for the closest clone we can get of Norway model for indefinite period, then we could take 7 or so yrs after that to consult with Jo Public about what they want the future relationship to look like.

Not only does govt not know what it wants... Jo Public don't know what they want. The Brexiters can't even agree what THEY want.

You're still off-message ljjk - the Norway model would still require FoM and payment into the EU coffers and acceptance of all EU directives.

Can't possibly have that.

The UK is going to negotiate something better . Well, because. And the EU will agree. Well, because. And if they don't, it's only because they are nasty bullies and trying to punish us.

It's not going too well for Treeza's pick'n'mix approach to Brexit. The UK wants to stay in Europol and why can't we have our way, it's not fair, Denmark isn't in but has access. As the article points out, Denmark is in Schengen.

I should have added, it will be portrayed as the EU being difficult.

My personal anecdata of Brexit in my family was that they voted leave due to a mistrust of the Germans. A hangover from their parents ww2 experiences possibly? There is a lot of glorification of the world wars in this country.

Yes glorification of the wars and our empire days where we traded freely with all our overseas territories. Of course they didn't have any choice in the matter.

This is why Brexit has happened i think. We are so used to being off on our own on the edges of Europe or being in charge of commonwealth countries that we are useless at compromise. Also we look down on Europe as though we're better than them, we've done them a favour by being part of their club. The press has fueled this. I think people are going to have a massive shock when we leave and the reality of our position in the world hits.

The irony being that the majority of white British have french/anglo-saxon/italian/danish/flemish ancestry. We are all descended from European immigrants.

I am going to start stockpiling some essentials. It seems to me anything could happen.

Yes I think you're right on that. Also there is no way to convince people that think that. Maybe we need to actually experience an awful Brexit to get past this? Then again in two generations time will they try to over join up to something to compensate?

Fil just left.
Had an "interesting" conversation with him and ds1 about the empire, Drogheda and amritsar...
He was quite pursed lipped when he left...🤔😁

You sound devastated badders

At least you have a chance to educate your ds

It's not going too well for Treeza's pick'n'mix approach to Brexit. The UK wants to stay in Europol and why can't we have our way, it's not fair, Denmark isn't in but has access. As the article points out, Denmark is in Schengen.

The bottom line will be that if a post Brexit UK wishes to engage with the EU, it needs to accept the jurisdiction of the ECJ. Just like every other country that engages with the EU. Even the US.

We could submit to the WTO over trade. But there is not a cat in hells chance that the EU would allow any country near its citizens - or their data - unless that country agrees to be bound by the ECJ.

Currently the UK is a (respected) member of the ECJ. It won't be 30/3/2019.

I am
devastated
😂

In the last thread, I posted a humorous guide to types of Brexiteers.

Even as I did, something was niggling in my mind. I think I can articulate it now. Just putting it out there ...

Here's the problem ... Nice Doris. Who as the text suggests has now met her maker.

So, in a nutshell, there's quite a bit of pressure for Brexit from people who are now dead (and getting long dead).

And what do you call a culture where we have to do what dead people tell us ?

A religion .

Explains somethings ....

badders

I'm currently enjoying encouraging dm back to her more liberal roots. Her enforced hospital stay is reminding her of the damaging effects of austerity and that my df spouts a lot of nonsense like it's the truth even if there is actual evidence it's bullshit.

Shame there's no election or referendum coming up where we could continue this!

Just realised how 'unpatriotic' my post sounds, doing down the UK and all that. But we do our country a disservice by looking at it through rose tinted glasses. It's like having kids. I love my kids unconditionally but I am not blind to their faults. That's my job as a parent. The current atmosphere of shutting down or ignoring criticism is so unhealthy. TM lost her majority but instead of wondering where she went wrong and trying to find out what the country actually wants she just carries on as though it didn't happen.

LH the only person I know who died shortly after was a remain supporter . He was a vet of ww2 and spoke a lot about how the eu and it's previous forms were formed to stop a repeat and that he felt the mood of the nation had turned into, well, something like the Weimar.
Went down like a lead balloon round here of course but still...

Apologies for the it's btw. I can't unautocorrect them it seems

Yet another one:
www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-my-vote-for-labour-was-not-a-vote-for-brexit

Can you refer me to where JC did claim that a vote for Labour was a vote for Brexit?

Same here hashi

72 year old remain voter

This one is on 104 000 votes:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

Think there are a huge number of older voters, who've fought fascism, ration cards and racism and who are great remain campaigners.

I was in awe of the number of them on the last march, who were clearly in physical difficulties, completing the route and still doing it. Inspirational.

Some people claim that no party was fully a party of no Brexit. The LibDems were calling for a Referendum on the terms being negotiated, I recall.

Labour leadership has voted, talked and acted like the opinion poll on Jun23 2106 had some sort of legal or political status, despite the majority of its vast membership being remain.

Time to remind them they are the opposition

www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-my-vote-for-labour-was-not-a-vote-for-brexit

Chappers in thoughtfully chosen sweater.

Thanks
Signed both

No party stood on a remain platform. Except possibly lord bucket head. Some had more possibility of remaining if things screwed up. Lib Dems and greens were stay in single market though.

I really wish someone had stood on a proper remain platform