Westminstenders: The Maddest of May and Boris's Dare

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Boris Johnson just dared May to fire him.

That's what his little rant about £350 million buses is.

Meanwhile its been pointed out that HMRC literally are incapable of handling a no deal and can only cope with an EEA / EFTA deal with no tariffs.

And given how good and on time the government are with computer systems even in a best case scenario are extremely unlikely to crack it in time.

Which makes Hammond's talk of a civil contingence plan, look, well half arsed and lacking.

We also wouldn't have planes able to fly to Europe under a no deal as we would no longer be part of Open Skies. This could leave thousands stranded. But no biggie there.

Meanwhile if the Leave Alliance have things right, May is about to serve our one year notice on leaving the EEA making all these things a reality.

Which is less like shooting yourself in the head and more like shooting yourself in the head, chest, foot, arm, leg and face (for a second time), whilst being run over at the same time.

But hey, Boris Johnson has it sussed in his 10 point plan. Especially the point where he says Brexit will be a success.

If you call success ending democracy, becoming a dictatorship, starving everyone, bankrupting the country and causing civil unrest.

Rule Britannia.

EternalOptimist
No, it's not stupidity on Trout's part - or at least not merely stupidity - it's offensiveness for its own sake.

Apparently wallowing in your own crapulence is now a de rigeur element of proving your Britishness.

Trout
As long as they bring particular skills and we can sensibly manage numbers, I am all for sensible levels of immigration.
You must not know much about bricklaying (or roofing or painting, etc) if you think they are not skilled occupations.

You have identified as French. Why don't you apply to become British? I'm very proud to be British even though my parents weren't born here. Are your children proud of the country of their birth?
I would really like to know why a child should be 'proud' of the country of their birth. Why would an adult be 'proud' of this either? The fact of birth in any particular place is a function of the presence of your mother at that particular juncture, and there is not a single country on this planet that one could hand-on-heart claim to be 'proud' of for any reason that wasn't related to some silly comparison with another country.

The whole idea is actually quite juvenile.

Somerville Sun 17-Sep-17 20:17:12
It hasn't escaped my notice that the GF ignored my post on the issue of the UK-born-Irish, and how damaging the suggestions that we should go home are - this being our home, and all.

This is because Trout is busy looking up Northern Ireland on a map.

That bugger Putin must be wetting himself laughing at the coming chaos

And possibly at the spectacle of the US president who was caught bugging Merkel's phone now featuring in ads at bus stops exhorting a vote for Merkel. Not to mention all the kerfuffles about foreign interference in elections, statements about this being unacceptable, etc.

I wouldn't blame him. Russians are not the only ones who love irony.

We should always engage with Leavers who wish to discuss the issues,

but I recommend we ignore any poster who just asks why we are still in the UK, or remarks at posters who are furrin or abroad,
or uses mock childish spelling to claim victim status at slights on Brexiters' intelligence

Those are the usual signs of trolls, some paid, some just organised by a group.

Intelligence services don't always consult the President or PM they supposedly work for.
Neither do police
I doubt if any UK PM signed off on police spies sleeping with those they spied on. Creating DC with them

German authorities remain worried that Putin may try to interfere at the last moment with the GE
Maybe release data from their 2015 hack of the German Parliament
Or just fake news about Muslims in Germany, like before

No doubt if an intelligence service authorised surveillance of a foreign leader and that was later discovered, and the discovery proved really embarrassing to the leader whose intelligence service had been so enterprising, the intelligence service chiefs would be sacked immediately.

I am suspicious that this 'Putin' thing is an example of 'Look, a shiny object in the far distance!' - or fake news itself. Give a dog a bad name, hang him, and then trot him out every time you want to generate some interest in an event.

YouGov poll, fieldwork 12-13 September

Age 18-64:

^Lab 50%
Con 32%^
LDem 8%
SNP 4%
UKIP 2%
Grn 2%

Mathanxiety
But...but...but... how on earth could a British company legally cut the wages and benefits of British workers? Are there no British labour laws or unions to plead the British workers' cause? No minimum wage regulations or courts where your average citizen can stop a company from doing this?

It's not difficult. The cleaning contract was given to a new company. All the people they hired were on minimum wage.

But...but...but ... the new cleaning company was a British cleaning company too, surely?

The contracting cleaning company switched and put all the former employees on absolute minimum wage with a tiny fraction of what the previous employees enjoyed in terms of benefits etc.
So... wait a second while I get this straight in my head.. You are saying that the cleaning contract went to a different company, presumably because it bid lower than the first. The second company retained the former company employees but drastically reduced their wages and benefits.

Are you saying that there are no laws in the UK to prevent such a thing happening?
Are there no unions to fight this sort of thing?
No possible affordable redress from the courts?

What a terrible thing the EU is, to make a British company treat British workers like this...
And the building management - were they British too? How could they simply opt to offer the contract to the company that had the lower bottom line?

Clearly the EU has a lot to answer for.

I hope you complained in no uncertain terms when you arrived back from your stint abroad and realised what had happened. Did you write to your MEP?

(And how could there be a minimum wage that is not actually enough to live on? Is this the work of that dastardly EU too?)

Note time of our visitor's last posting (US evening or Moscow morning).

Ask yourself what he/she gains from derailing the discussion.

Tbh the biggest giveaway is the previous issue of not understanding the British school holiday system, let alone the basic concept of the NI question.

Place marking.

Good morning comrade 😂

The contracting cleaning company switched and put all the former employees on absolute minimum wage with a tiny fraction of what the previous employees enjoyed in terms of benefits etc.

If only there was some kind of legislation to stop this sort of thing from happening. Maybe even stemming from an EU directive.

Oh, wait a minute ...

Yummy curry tonite.

Chappers met up with the lovely Vicky Pryce at lib dems conference.
Not macro political exactly, but it is political.

Big Choc, those stats are why NPOW is calling young people traitors.

What is tory party membership figures, excluding the 40 Legatum and AFD associates, I wonder.

Mathanxiety
You appear to be in complete denial about the impact of an influx of cheap labour and how big corporates exploit this (within EU Law) to maximise their profits.

Here's a link that explains more - companies like Next bringing in contract workers from Poland to their centre in Yorkshire. By employing them for less than 12 weeks thus avoiding temp workers regs.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/11/labour-ciriticse-tesco-next-cheap-labour

If you don't see this happening all over the country, you must be living a very sheltered life.

Greetings comrade badders
Got any baking planned?

Possibly
Possibly
I'm feeling merangue-ish today

Trout...any joy on that YouTube vid we asked you to post???

This really is the equivalent of burning down the house because there's a spider in it isn't it?

I saw Chappers attended the lib dem conference. Did he speak at all do you know woman

Badders I'd suggest an Eton Mess, but given where BoJo, Cameron and JRM were all educated that might be a bit too close to the bone.

mathanxiety Sun 17-Sep-17 23:08:25
Trout - if you hate the EU so much, you yourself have had options for the last 40 years. What has kept you living under such an oppressive and hateful regime?

I want to live in the UK. I want the UK to be out of the EU.

I was reasonably sanguine about the EEC - when its focus was on trade across a smallish group of broadly similar economies. I always had my concerns about the way the EU was designed and run (particularly after reading Tony Benn's first hand observations) and the complete lack of accountability at the top to ordinary voters and taxpayers - and how it is impossible for the people paying their wages (us) to get rid of them at the ballot box.

My concerns grew when it was clear that what had started out as a trade body was morphing into full economic and political union. I was completely against the Euro - and believe we dodged a bullet there. There is no way you can make a single currency work across such disparate economies. The CAP and CFP are a joke. My work takes me across Europe and I have seen first hand the impact of cheap money and dodgy lending in some of the European financial institutions (especially in Greece, Bulgaria and Italy).

Blair's implementation of the FOM rules after 2004 was totally inadequate. If the then Labour government had instigated even a view of the basic of the procedures that countries like Belgium do, I don't think the Leave campaign would have won.

We need healthy and sustainable levels of immigration. I don't see why a qualified health worker from say Sri Lanka, Canada or Australia should be treated so much more stringently when trying to move here than millions of low skilled or unskilled migrants from Europe.

Seeing Cameron get his arse handed to him on a plate further cemented my dismay. I agree with Vince Cable, that had the EU picked someone other than the pompous, arrogant, self-important Junkers to lead it at this critical juncture, we might not have been where we are today.

Despite all of the above, I could still have been a very, very Reluctant Remainer. But in the end the Remain campaign - Project Fear and the repetition of "You're a racist!!, You're stupid! You'll be dead soon!!"
ad nauseum, did little to win over possible waverers like me.

I believe the EU is in decline and doomed to failure. It's best for us to leave that sinking ship.

We call it strawberry mess in this house!
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Not sure if anyone saw the question I posted about the repeal bill ? Does a minister have to give any notice that they are making changes ? if so how will they do this if they do not have to put it before parliament ?

ComradeKilgore you failed to answer how you feel about the repeal bill ?