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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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Peregrina · 13/09/2017 16:17

Chortle - DUP voting with Labour. I expect TM to throw the DUP under a bus, as soon as she can.

Badders08 · 13/09/2017 16:19

Have done an online food order.
Lots of uht milk, beans and soup ordered!!

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:20

It must stink. And attract vermin.

Somewhere in there is a joke about the Tory party conference (hosted in Brum 2016).

Basically yes, and yes. But what can you do ?

A few weeks ago, the "Bearded Broz" - a motley collection of Muslim guys who'd had enough - did start a free collection service. Not that you are ever allowed to hear anything positive about Birminghams ethnic communites ... remember, we voted Leave.

Violetparis · 13/09/2017 16:27

I did actually LOL when I read the DUP news.

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:33

It must stink. And attract vermin.

I may have got mixed up here ... Yes, in the street it is smelly and seems to move on it's own.

But chez nous, it's locked safely in the room which would have had coal in it (or so we're told).

Badders08 · 13/09/2017 16:34

Do the DUP know that the Tories will never adhere to their deal?
Do they think labour are a better punt??

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:39

Do the DUP know that the Tories will never adhere to their deal?

ISTR at the time it was noted that the "deal" specifically avoided names and people, and was written in terms of parties. The implication being that the DUP had very little faith in Theresa May being able to hold up her end personally.

If the DUP get shafted, after seeing what happened to the LibDems, then maybe there's a case to be made that they deserved it.

FWIW, in a battle of wits between Theresa May (who is very good at ignoring excellent advice) and the DUP, I know who I'd back. The old joke about them being able to come out first after following you into a revolving door seems particularly apposite.

Badders08 · 13/09/2017 16:41

Hmmmmm

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:41

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-may

George Osborne told colleagues at the Evening Standard that he will not rest until Theresa May is “chopped up in bags in my freezer”, according to a profile of the former chancellor.

(contd)

Violetparis · 13/09/2017 16:43

The DUP are anti austerity but I'm sure the Tories thought they would be able to count on them for everything in return for their bribe. More humiliation for May.

Peregrina · 13/09/2017 16:47

Why haven't we heard much about the summer of discontent and crisis, what crisis? OK don't answer, I know, a right-wing press.

Violetparis · 13/09/2017 16:48

Think Osborne is enjoying his new job.

Peregrina · 13/09/2017 16:48

Oh and Winter of Discontent is Shakespearean, whereas Summer of Discontent is something I made up.

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:48

The DUP are anti austerity

anti reality, more like.

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 16:51

Winter of Discontent is Shakespearean

laying the ground for a Shakespeare "funny" ...

Drifting OT but has anyone seen "Looking for Richard" with Al Pacino, and assorted Hollywood stars ?

Violetparis · 13/09/2017 16:51

Lurking, agree with that too.

RedToothBrush · 13/09/2017 17:05

The DUP also have yet to get their Dosh.

Perhaps they smell the possibility they won't get it, even if it does get voted through.

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Badders08 · 13/09/2017 17:09

HOW is may still in power????
HOW!!???

LurkingHusband · 13/09/2017 17:10

With each passing day it's obvious (to some) that a hell of a lot of plate spinning is going on somewhere. Luck a duck gliding serenely off a cliff edge along a calm pond, there is a lot of effort under the water.

Given we live in an age where the chancellor of the fucking exchequer can "forget" the VAT on the Olympics, (and have absolutely nothing happen) I wouldn't have too much faith in the competence of people to keep the plates spinning.

The shit winter we appear to be gearing up for might just be the last straw .... somehow.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/09/2017 17:11

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Violetparis · 13/09/2017 17:16

Motheroffourdragons DUP voting with Labour is headline in Guardian and was on Sky News. Just seen on The Independent on my FB feed that the Tories have been defeated on NHS pay motion as DUP sided with Labour. I need to learn how to post links.

Violetparis · 13/09/2017 17:18

See LurkingHusband has beat me to it.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/09/2017 17:22

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Cailleach1 · 13/09/2017 17:51

The DUP did a deal to support any cockamamie interpretation of Brexit and the Cons' attempt to act as if nothing had happened to their majority in the last general election. They are helping the Cons with the con. This has been successful. An advisory referendum which had no details wrt single market or anything else for a non-EU UK can be interpreted any which way the wind blows. This Conservative headbangers interpretation must be respected. However a straightforward general election which did not give Cons a Commons majority can be ignored. And the rules changed to pretend it did.

I suspect the DUP control the policy of UK relations with Ireland in respect to NI as if nothing had happened since 1921 and nobody except Britons live, or have ever lived there. Hence the only party in NI to not support GFA (against 71% of the pop.) are in charge of Westminster's role in it.