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Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.

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RedToothBrush · 27/08/2017 00:49

So it turns out that immigration figures that stated students overstayed were wrong. The home office knew this. And sat on it. Since 2015. Under Theresa.

That smells a bit doesn't it?

Imagine it: "Let's do lunch Paul. I'll cover up and give you a nice immigration story for your front page. In return, crown me PM."

Then tonight BOOM. Labour look like they have made a move. Soft very swishy Brexit. Even less brexity than the Beano Brexit that the Tories have been trying to announce on the quiet over the summer whilst Brexiteers are on holiday.

amp.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
Party opens clear divide with Tories, with support for free movement and paying into EU budgets for up to four years

Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.

In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.

This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.

Why would Labour suddenly do this? It's not just because of the youth vote. What about their leave voters?

Faisal Islam on the subject:
2. On Labour Leavers is very very interesting and involves quite the psephological judgement re the election....
...the calculation appears to be that Labour Leave voters had the chance to vote for Theresa May's brand of Brexit, and bar 5 seats, said No
Was that because Lableave voters were already signalled "hard Brexit"? Or many millions such voters much more concerned about other things?

Have Labour been polling their voters on this?

Theresa has also apparently set her sell by date: Friday 30th August 2019.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894.amp
Theresa May sets date she'll quit as Prime Minister - giving herself time to see Britain through Brexit

The longer the transition and the squishier it gets, the more the more you wonder.

Mr Barnier will enjoy his coffee and newspapers tomorrow as he prepares for round two of Brexit talks starting next week.

The question on his mind most: Will David Davis remember to bring his notes this time?

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Everytimeref · 30/08/2017 17:17

Long time lurker. Just place marking

LurkingHusband · 30/08/2017 17:19

That story was running (in much better detail) on Italian websites yesterday ..

www.msn.com/it-it/notizie/mondo/londra-bimba-cristiana-di-5-anni-affidata-a-famiglia-musulmana/ar-AAqOUd7

Not sure why it took a day to become news here ??

woman12345 · 30/08/2017 17:19

^I had to stay away and had 2 poorly children to look after too sad
What a joke^

Flowers Knope

In the olden days (1960s), in Glasgow, after women had given birth, a wee lady from the council came and did the housework for the first two weeks. Housing rates were high, welfare provision was high.

There are many examples of socialist set ups where caring and home work is quantified and shared.

It is work.

That's why most men (LH excluded Smile) don't do it.

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:22

Really??
Wow. I can't imagine getting that level of help. I would guess pnd rates would go down if women got that level of support?
When I had ds2 dh could only have 3 days off work:(

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:26

Today...
Ds1 (14) is recovering from a minor op. I have introduced him the The IT crowd today.
We have spent the day watching the box set 👍😁
#mumgoals

Cherrypi · 30/08/2017 17:30

William Hague sewing the seeds to blame unsuccessful Brexit on the voters was particularly irritating this morning.

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:31

Well I think we can all assume brexit won't be the fault of the Tories.. ...🤔😡

Mistigri · 30/08/2017 17:32

Is it true that carers are overwhelmingly women? I wonder if that is still the case, as family circumstances change.

Care work often simply falls to the only person available, if other family members have moved or died. My FIL is currently full-time carer for his wife (their two younger sons are dead, and then oldest -my DH - lives abroad) and my cousin gave up his job and moved home to Wales to care for his mother with dementia (both sisters are in Australia).

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:34

Yes I think so

Mistigri · 30/08/2017 17:35

woman when I had my kids in France it was still possible to get someone in to help out after giving birth! I didn't - because I am too British and I had easy births anyway - but I know lots of people who did. I don't know if this is still possible these days, but it was certainly the case only 10 years ago or so.

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:35

Info from carers uk;
"Overall,womenare more likely to take on caring roles than men. Of the 6.5 million unpaidcarersin the UK 58% - 3.34 million - arewomen."

woman12345 · 30/08/2017 17:39

beat me to it, Knope and
The economic value of the contribution made by carers in the UK is £132bn a year.

By 2030, the number of carers will increase by 3.4 million around 60%
Following a survey in 2010, the BBC estimated that there are 700,000 young carers in the UK.

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:41

700,000??
That's awful

HashiAsLarry · 30/08/2017 17:44

knope wishing a speedy recovery for DS. It crowd is awesome.

My friend has just introduced his similarly aged Ds to Alan Partridge.

I've just given my DC an intro to horrible histories recently but it was a bit too much for them Sad

QuentinSummers · 30/08/2017 17:47

When the govt talk about "people" looking after family members they mean "women"

This. During the GE I thought the "dementia tax" was a ploy to get women back where they belong (sarcasm) by providing a clear financial incentive for elderly care in the form of an inheritance. Suddenly it "doesn't make sense" to pay for care, the woman can give up work to do it. Like baby care. Then we can make elderly care an invisible problem as women are "choosing" to stay at home and do it
(Apols if this makes no sense, am knackered)

BiglyBadgers · 30/08/2017 17:48

It is even more overwhelming for paid caring roles. Only 11.4% of registered nurses are male.

whatwouldrondo · 30/08/2017 17:52

woman Did you mean to post this? Times and Fail both being investigated for failures in accuracy, privacy and protecting children, families involved subjected to intrusive reporting.

Knope2020 · 30/08/2017 17:54

That whole story is a disgrace
Yet the mail get away with it time a.d time again 😡😡😡

LOVE horrible histories! Have you seen Bill the film?? I was just pondering introducing him to Alan partridge!!

BigChocFrenzy · 30/08/2017 18:00

Many people will have read the fake news, not the corrections
Or they ignore any corrections: what doesn't fit with emotionally driven views is usually rejected - "PC control by the liberal elite," of course

The drip, drip of fake news by the hard right press over decades make many people frightened and increases intolerance;
so they are more likely to vote for hard right policies - which is the intention of Murdoch, Dacre et al

woman12345 · 30/08/2017 18:01

Yes, whatwouldrondo that's the story, and here's the pictures:

and those young tories and 'chavicide':
@dcakraemer 45m45 minutes ago
Young Tories discussing "chavocide" on Whatsapp are warned to watch out in case it comes up on Guido, reports Guido
order-order.com/2017/08/30/young-tories-joke-about-gassing-chavs-in-activate-whatsapp-group/

lalalonglegs · 30/08/2017 18:39

Lancashire man is British after all. The Home Office has apologised for the stress it has caused him (presumably with a tinkly laugh Hmm).

LurkingHusband · 30/08/2017 18:47

Lancashire man is British after all. The Home Office has apologised for the stress it has caused him

suppose they had made him an unperson, by revoking his license, and stealing freezing his assets ???

Thatssomecatchthatcatch22 · 30/08/2017 18:51

How do you find the time to be on here all through the day?

DrivenToDespair · 30/08/2017 19:40

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