Westminsterenders: The Ersatz ImitationThread

[OlennasWimple]

I am no RedToothBrush, so I'm not going to try to emulate her exception OP style.

Here, though, in the interests of carrying on our conversations about WTF is going on with Brexit and the weird political world we find ourselves in right now, is a sort of continuation thread

(Hurry back Red, we need you!)

Don't dispute any of that mother. My point is more that replacing EU regional development funding for Wales is very small numbers in the grand scheme, which is not what the article suggests.

frumpety I sympathise. My DPs voted Leave. My DM has kind of hinted that she now thinks it was a mistake but just kind of glosses over it in a kind of 'it will all work out in the end' kind of way.
One of the many things that depress me about Brexit is the inter-generational war it has unleashed. The statistics regarding older and young people's views on the EU are really stark.
I love my parents but still feel angry with them for voting as they did. The reality is that the over 65's who massively voted in favour of Brexit will be the ones least affected by it whereas my children, who weren't old enough to vote, will have to deal with this for the next God knows how many years.
There is a very vocal Brexiter who recently admitted that it will take 20 years to see any benefit of Brexit. My oldest child is 17 so he will be 37 when/if we see any benefit. That's the whole of his young adulthood.
Sorry but I don't find that very comforting.

Don't dispute any of that mother. My point is more that replacing EU regional development funding for Wales is very small numbers in the grand scheme, which is not what the article suggests.

Yes, but, don't forget, Cornwall also want their share, as does the north-east. Not to mention the £350 million a week which was implied would go to the NHS. May's government needs to start planting some fast growing money trees PDQ.

Philip Hammond confirms UK will seek three-year transitional deal.

The agreement was made last week but not announced by Theresa May, who has left the UK for a three-week holiday. Instead, the news has seeped out from other cabinet ministers, and was confirmed by Hammond on Friday morning.

I feel like swearing at May all the time.
Why three weeks worth of holidays? There is so much work to do.
The silver lining is that the holiday resulted in a GE that gave us some hope back. I think she really really wants to go down in the history as someone really cool. So I am hoping this time she comes back with the idea of a new referendum on the current situation of EU.

Meant to write "new situation of EU referendum outcome"

One of the many things that depress me about Brexit is the inter-generational war it has unleashed. The statistics regarding older and young people's views on the EU are really stark

I think there's a huge issue between the generations msH you can see it with Brexit and the recent election.

Younger people are expected to find money for mortgage/rent/deposit, child care and pay towards a pension. A lot of them need to pay their student debts too.
Not all pensioners are rolling in it but a lot have done very well.

Some of the older generations realise they have been pretty lucky but others just don't see why millennial dd can't just pull their socks up and stop complaining.

The problems I have with the transition deal politically (I think it may just save us from the cliff edge in 2019) are that (a) it kicks the problem down the road and allows, potentially, another party to deal with the lack of groundwork when the end of the transition deal comes - a three-year transition would just about get May or her successor to the next GE (b) if Brexit isn't reversed in the next 18 months, there will be no chance of returning by default to the EU. The UK would have to reapply, we would lose many/all of the considerable advantages of our current deal and there would be a long period of consideration/adjustment before/if we were allowed back in (who could blame any of the EU27 if they said no?).

In some ways, I would rather we raced towards the 2019 cliff edge and pulled back then simply built a bridge halfway across the ravine that gave us a false sense of security and caused even worse problems down the line. (Of course, this assumes we can pull back before we Brexit...)

Me and DH realise how hard it is goi g to get for our DCs. We really are working our bones off this year. I would love to give my kids the same or at least somewhat similar support that I had. even then it won't be fair.

The agreement was made last week but not announced by Theresa May, who has left the UK for a three-week holiday.

So the cabinet has agreed they want a transitional deal, but Theresa May hasn't bothered to share this information with the EU partners she is supposed to negotiate the transitional deal with?

I think this article gives a much more balanced perspective on EU funding rather than the one focusing on Wales, which very much follows the standard line of Wales, Scotland and N Ireland benefiting from the EU while England foots the bill. Also worth noting that the CAP makes up 70% of money coming back from the EU - good job we all have such faith in Gove.

fullfact.org/europe/how-much-do-regions-uk-receive-eu-funding/

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So the cabinet has agreed they want a transitional deal, but Theresa May hasn't bothered to share this information with the EU partners she is supposed to negotiate the transitional deal with?

Deduction: It wasn't intended for EU consumption, but the mugs folk at home.

(Lurkings law of "what it is" as opposed to "what people say it is")

'A bit of me is dying. But I can’t stay': the EU nationals exiting Britain

So what's the conclusion, LD? That they always knew there'd have to be one but didn't want to admit it at the start when they went in swinging to the EU?

www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jul/28/england-lost-mick-jagger-releases-brexit-songs-gotta-get-a-grip

Annie one of my friends, who voted Brexit, has posted on Facebook the classic 'but why can't they all just seek dual nationality?' line. I may have set him straight a tiny bit. As have some of his other EU friends.

Defiant Varadkar tells British we won't design brexit border for you

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said Ireland is “not going to design a border for the Brexiteers”.

He struck a defiant note at a media briefing in Government Buildings on Friday when he insisted in the strongest terms yet that Ireland did not want an economic border with the United Kingdom after it leaves the European Union.

“What we’re not going to do is to design a border for the Brexiteers because they’re the ones who want a border. It’s up to them to say what it is, say how it would work and first of all convince their own people, their own voters that this is actually a good idea,” Mr Varadkar said.

Mr Varadkar said there was a political border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but not an economic one.
“As far as this Government is concerned there shouldn’t be an economic border. We don’t want one,” he said.

“It’s the UK, it’s Britain that has decided to leave and if they want to put forward smart solutions, technological solutions for borders of the future and all of that that’s up to them.

“We’re not going to be doing that work for them because we don’t think there should be an economic border at all. That is our position. It is our position in negotiations with the British Government and it’s the very clear position that we have when we engage with the task force that is negotiating on our behalf with the UK.”

Mr Varadkar said an economic border would not be in the interests of the Republic, Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom, “and we’re not going to be helping them to design some sort of border that we don’t believe should exist in the first place”.

He continued: “So let them put forward their proposals as to how they think a border should operate and then we’ll ask them if they really think this is such a good idea because I think it will have a very severe impact on their economy if they decide to go down that route.”

I am really pleased to see the Irish government taking a tough line on this.

Anyone thinking that Ireland is going to rush to leave the EU because of all this is smoking something illegal.

Ireland has had million and millions of euro investment from the EU
Anyone who travelled to Ireland a lot like I did in the 90s would have seen first hand the huge infrastructure projects completed under EU aegis
Ireland leave the EU?
Never

I am really pleased to see the Irish government taking a tough line on this.

Doubtless backed by 26 other countries who I suspect knew of this announcement before the UK government did (how do you like it now Mrs May ?)

There seems to be a clear attitude developing in the rEU that the UK can do all the heavy lifting of Brexit, which is hardly unfair. It's not like they wanted us to leave.